The one thing you don't want to hear at the Gate.

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Ray, I'm only back here to say something, because I consider you one of my best friends. I didn't mean "demons" literally and thought I made it clear, I don't think of them that way.
 
... I think if we use our understanding of the bible to judge and condemn others, then we've missed the point of Christ's *transcendent* teachings. I don't believe any people are truly "evil", pigs or dogs or things of that nature,... but rather, sick, broken and unloved.
 
Tai, Its not what you believe. The Word is The God's Word. When you don't believe God you make God out to be a Liar and he is very very far from being a Liar.

John the Baptist was told by his men that Jesus was getting more attention than John. John's answer to his men was, I must decrease so he can increase. What he is saying is its not about me or I but only about Jesus Christ. He is the Savior of the World, The Lamb or God, The one and only Son of God. He is the Beginning and the End. Not Tai Goo. Not what Tai Goo thinks.

Guess what I am trying to say is, More of Him and Less of Me.
 
Great posts Ray. And Brad.

There is a MASSIVE bunch of people that believe that as long as everybody loves everyone and all of us *try* to do the 'right' thing everyone will go to heaven and there is room for all religions because we "all basically believe the same thing" and a loving and merciful God wouldn't send anyone to hell, so hell isn't real and on and on and on.

It's a trap set be the devil and I can't hardly stand to think about all the souls that will spend eternity lost because of it. Yeah, it sounds great.....let's all sing kumbaya and hold hands and we'll all be okay.

The truth is there is only ONE way to heaven. And that is believing we are all sinners, believing that Jesus Christ, the son of God, IS God and He died on that cross to pay for our sins because we don't deserve His mercy, we can't earn it and we certainly can't buy it, and that Christ is alive and risen and defeated death.

That's the only way. "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin."

Folks can talk until they're blue in the face about following Jesus and listening to his teachings and loving everyone (AND WE ALL SHOULD!!). But the truth is, THAT in and of itself won't save you. If you believe it will, then you are trashing the whole book of Romans.

Loving everyone and trying to be more like Jesus is great. But it doesn't deal with the sin issue, which we all have. If you really want to listen to Jesus' teachings, listen to the ones about sin and repentance and the lost eternity that unbelievers will endure.

Standing up for the truth in the Holy Word isn't nearly the same as judging people. Some seem to be confused on that. I don't think any Christian here has had a self righteous attitude or thinks he's better than someone else or without flaws and sin, INCLUDING ME! Following every part of God's word and not picking which ones are true and which ones are 'flawed by man' and pointing that out is not judging someone.
 
Tai, Trancendental Meditation is NOT the way to get closer to Jesus. It is a way to get closer to some spirits but not His.

Tai, ask Jesus to show you the truth, If you really want it you will have it but if you don't want it you are wasting your time. I love you Tai, I want only Gods best for you. Ed
 
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Great posts Ray. And Brad.

There is a MASSIVE bunch of people that believe that as long as everybody loves everyone and all of us *try* to do the 'right' thing everyone will go to heaven and there is room for all religions because we "all basically believe the same thing" and a loving and merciful God wouldn't send anyone to hell, so hell isn't real and on and on and on.

It's a trap set be the devil and I can't hardly stand to think about all the souls that will spend eternity lost because of it. Yeah, it sounds great.....let's all sing kumbaya and hold hands and we'll all be okay.

The truth is there is only ONE way to heaven. And that is believing we are all sinners, believing that Jesus Christ, the son of God, IS God and He died on that cross to pay for our sins because we don't deserve His mercy, we can't earn it and we certainly can't buy it, and that Christ is alive and risen and defeated death.

That's the only way. "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin."

Folks can talk until they're blue in the face about following Jesus and listening to his teachings and loving everyone (AND WE ALL SHOULD!!). But the truth is, THAT in and of itself won't save you. If you believe it will, then you are trashing the whole book of Romans.

Loving everyone and trying to be more like Jesus is great. But it doesn't deal with the sin issue, which we all have. If you really want to listen to Jesus' teachings, listen to the ones about sin and repentance and the lost eternity that unbelievers will endure.

Standing up for the truth in the Holy Word isn't nearly the same as judging people. Some seem to be confused on that. I don't think any Christian here has had a self righteous attitude or thinks he's better than someone else or without flaws and sin, INCLUDING ME! Following every part of God's word and not picking which ones are true and which ones are 'flawed by man' and pointing that out is not judging someone.
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Well said..Thanks for getting in here and defending
 
No one is passing judgement on anyone here. I will say the same thing Paul said "when it comes to sinners I am chief among them" I have sinned too much for me to look down on anyone. I like this passage. Matthew 7
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

However a little later it reality is spelled out pretty plain. Not everyone makes it to heaven.

Matthew 7
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

To believe that we all go to heaven belittles the death of Jesus. Why did he die if no one needs a sacrifice.
Christianity is life and death stuff nothing to take lightly. Everyone of us share one thing, we started to die on our first breath. Everyone will stand before the Almighty and be judged the only card in my hand is I'm forgiven and that is all I need. Its like the ultimate get out of jail free card, the price is payed.

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Personally I have prayed for a number of knifedogs on here Tai is one of them. Before anyone says anything I don't ask God to judge or punish anyone (thats humor by the way), I hope they prosper both here and in their family life. Life is tough enough on its own and everyone can use a little boost.
 
Thanks Brad! :)

I got the plank out of my eye and my demons kicked out for now and would like to say,... if our judgment on our fellow people is harsh, then I pray that we not be judged according to our own measure, but rather served out of Love, be healed and made whole again. :)
 
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We are the body and bride of our Lord.

Some may be arms, legs, hands, eyes, ears, brains etc., and some may be the heart. The only way we will ever endure this journey of life is *together*, fully integrated, whole,… as One. :)
 
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... if our judgment on our fellow people is harsh, then I pray that we not be judged according to our own measure, but rather served out of Love, be healed and made whole again. :)
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We are the body and bride of our Lord.

The only way we will ever endure this journey of life is *together*, fully integrated, whole,… as One. :)
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Tai, I'm curious why you keep saying 'We' and 'Our' and 'Us' and 'Together'. You keep ignoring the fact that many of us here have pointed out that you, by your own statements of your own beliefs, don't believe what most of the rest of us here do.

You are clearly a member of this crowd:
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There is a MASSIVE bunch of people that believe that as long as everybody loves everyone and all of us *try* to do the 'right' thing everyone will go to heaven and there is room for all religions because we "all basically believe the same thing" and a loving and merciful God wouldn't send anyone to hell, so hell isn't real and on and on and on.
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But that's not what the Bible says. And most of us here believe the Bible, ALL of it, in its entirety. You do not. You pick and choose what you like. And you twist what you don't like to suit your tastes and flat out ignore the rest. You choose to ignore the issue of sin, that we ALL have, and Jesus' Deity and His redeeming work and the authority if His word.

This is a game to you and you're not fooling anyone. Even when you're asked a direct question, you are vague and skirt around it and attempt to redirect attention somewhere else with romanticized theology and mysticism.

I'm curious about your thoughts on Brad's point. If everyone goes to heaven anyway and hell isn't real, then who was Jesus? And why did he die on the cross for a sacrifice for us all?

You are absolutely right that you have free will to believe whatever you want. But hell is real and eternity is forever. I hope some day that sinks in with you, Tai.

All mankind is bought. But only those that believe in the purchase, and accept it and want it are redeemed.
 
I can't answer all those questions right now and I'm not going to argue.

I think we do believe most of the same things, only see them from different angles and process them differently. I'm not being insincere about what I believe and don't think it's a joke.

If I'm not welcome here, just say so. I don't think there is any group of believers I fit into perfectly and I've been judged before. A side of me really wants to be accepted for who I am and be part of it. If no one says anything, I'll take the hint.
 
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We ABSOLUTELY, MOST DEFINITELY do not. Just to be very clear.

Also, to be very clear, I have no malice or anger or personal dislike towards you whatsoever. This is just a Christian forum and there are many Christians, like myself, who place prime importance on defending the truth according to our God and His word and sound Christian doctrines as derived from our Christian bible.

No one is arguing and no one is judging anyone. Simply pointing out inaccuracies and false statements as far as the Christian faith is concerned, that in no way square up with the Bible isn't judging. And I certainly have no right to say whether you stay here or leave. That's not my call at all.

I think it would be so much better if you were an unbeliever that was genuinely seeking the truth and asking questions and talking rationally. Instead of dogmatically saying things contrary to what the Bible says, yet claiming to have a personal relationship with Jesus (even though you deny His deity).

I'm reminded of this passage from the Bible:

[h=1]Revelation 3:15-16King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]15 [/SUP]I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
 
John, I don't deny His deity, sorry if you misunderstood something I said. I wish I had the time and energy to hash through the bible, (the theology and such) with you all and explain my positions better, and how I arrived at them. But, if you don't want to hear, maybe it's just as well. I don't want to be accused of trying to start a cult, nor do I want to be a cult leader. It's just me, Tai. I don't deny that He died for our sins either. He is the way the Truth and the Life. I try my best to understand His teachings and follow Him. I want to try and keep my own heart pure and purge myself of any hatred or negativity towards my fellows. I know it must sound confusing, but it's a very long complicated story.

I apologize if I sound overly lighthearted about it, but I have to try and keep my sanity and can't really change the way my brain is wired... parts of it maybe, but not the whole thing all at once.

God made me the way I am for a reason. This is something I have to believe and really can't see things any differently right now.
 
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To put things as simply as I can, it would be unhealthy and unfit for me to believe some of the same things that you say you believe. I do not believe they are what the bible truly teaches us. Not all the "truths" in the bible are of equal value and I set my path upon what I see as the Highest Truth which transcends all others. I found It and so can you. :)

It is not something that can be put into human language or comprehension, but is by far easier to experience and be bathed in.
 
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So Tai, what do you see as the "Highest Truth"?

I will say this. I'm far from the Christian that I should be, and I have many flaws and sins, but picking and chosing from the Bible is a dangerous path to start down. We all have favorite passages and things like that, but that doesn't seem to be what you're saying.
 
Tai- I have to ask: What are some of the things, that John has said he believes, that you see as "unhealthy and unfit" for you to believe?
Bill
 
The belief that other people will go to hell for *eternity*,... is the poorest fruit hanging on the lowest branch of the vine as it rots.
 
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Tai likes to stir up 'debate' but he doesn't like to answer questions. If you're responding to something Tai says, you may wish to quote his post in your reply because he likes to go back and edit them later so it seems like that's not what he said.

[h=1]1 Corinthians 14:33King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I realize that some passages in the bible having meanings that are disagreed upon, even among Christians. But they aren't the solid, core foundations of Christianity. The things that really are important to grasping the teachings of Jesus and Christian doctrine are insanely clear. The topics of sin and it's link to death, salvation and redemption through Christ's work on the cross thus leading to eternal life, heaven and hell and others are crystal clear and not disputed by any true Christians or Christian churches or groups that I can think of.

God did not just give us some general guidelines and vague hints to determine for ourselves the way to salvation and redemption. What a serious, high stakes concept to leave to the ignorance and incompetence of man! Rather, Jesus in His unending love for us and his desire that NONE should perish, makes crystal clear the one and only way to salvation.

Here's a few things I can think of that Tai disputes that cause issues in these threads.

1: The bible is written by man and contains errors.
2: Jesus is not God and has not the same authority.
3: Hell isn't real.
4: Everyone goes to heaven.

There are MANY clear Bible passages that support and expressly state that in each case,the very opposite of what Tai states is the truth on the matters. But not surprisingly, Tai accredits those passages as the ones that 'contain error' or he just ignores them altogether.
 
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