It was really a thread to show off my kids I would never let them in while I'm running power tools, too noisy , and I do not want them breathing metal or wood dust, I'm 40 and my how things have changed my son doesnt have a knife yet but I had a .22 rifle at age 8 and acess to a shotgun by 10 , used use power tools to build stuff, heck me and my freind used to ride bikes 8 miles away to another friends house when we were 10 My parents would probably goto jail today . All that and I have never shot anyone, been arrested, or did drugs , mainly cause I knew what would happen when Dad got home Guess they were not so bad afterall . Anthony