Just got a set of ladder dies and looking forward to trying them out. Questions for all you experienced ladder guys. What's your preferred layer count for ladder, how thick is your billet before going into the dies and do you use a stop block to control the depth the dies go into the billet. I'm sure I'd eventually figure it out but would rather reduce the learning curve and the subsequent scrap trying to figure it all out through trial and error. I've done considerable Damascus just not ladder.