A thoughtful and respectful email I received..

That's funny Wayne. I had a LTC try to get me into recruiting back in '03. He was a former commander and very good friend if mine. I had to tell him that I really didn't see myself as a "baby snatcher", but he tried very hard to convince me to change my mind. About three weeks later I got the call advising me of my deployment to Iraq.

Hmmmmmmm, think he might have known something?

I will say, recruiting for KD is much easier than the military. Our target audience clearly identifies itself.
 
Personally I like this forum quite a bit, it's fairly small and has a good group of people from what I can tell. My first knife forum was BF and I still frequent it a lot. Like many people here I will occasionally cross post the same post between forums. I noticed the responses at BF are generally faster and more of them, which is likely a result of just having more members. I really don't have any issues with either site tbh. There have been times I would post a question here and get hardly a response while the same one at BF got answered. Often it's by someone who posts on both and it may just happened that there were there at the time instead of here... Not a big deal.

I mod on a HUGE archery form almost 170K members with a little over 29K of them active. BF is 154.5K members with 15K and change active. I also belong to another small archery forum which is dedicated to the same thing which recently was created by a member of the one I mod at. A lot of times forums can feel a bit like there are cliques here and there. Most of the times it's due to the fact that a handful of the members know each other away from the computer and chat about "inside" things or whatever. The same thing happened a lot on the archery forum I belong to, people would meet up at tournaments and whatnot and the friendships carry over to online. Sometimes people feel left out of some things but that's the way it goes at times. People who have hung out with each other at events or each others houses will chat differently than with someone they only know from online sometimes, that's pretty normal. All in all I've never really felt left out of anything here it's just that a smaller forum will generally equal less responses to a post than a larger one. However there is also something to be said about the quality vs quantity of responses as well. I can blabber on about this as well but you guys have probably read enough as it is. :)
 
I have been to many forums Incl. other knife forums and I have to say that although I'm a new member I'm very comfy here.
This seams to be the most friendly forum that I've been to so far and I've been to a lot!
I do see how the OL big dogs can be intimidating to a new (Pup) maker just starting out though, IMHO I think it's just the new kid at school kinda thing though. :bud:
 
Well,
He didnt flame ,or whine, or point fingers,..so hes got the right attitude actually.
He may have felt excluded or ignored, but Im fairly certain it wasnt intentional on anyones part.
You have to give anything worthwhile a little time to develop.
Some days you post a photo of something amazing,..and someone else posts a second later and yours is pushed down on the list and unseen by folks who may only check the main topic showing as last post.
Same with posting a question, you may ask, and think , well, guess no one cares ,.. but it could be as simple as the above statement, it just wasnt SEEN..
He should be encouraged to come try again,.. this forum has become a beacon to those who may enjoy other places just fine(member of most myself), but sometimes dont desire an evening of tough guy posing, full on porno, diatribes against whatever religion/political stance /or issue that was on the hotseat that week.
And just want to see or be a part of some conversations about new steel,someones new knife, or watch a long time maker show you how its done- or a newbie maker make that transition from good garage guy, to WOW factor inspirer.

I assure you New Guy, you arent shunned, ignored, or made to feel an outsider on purpose, after all- to STOP all that is one of the reasons this forum was founded ,and as a testament to how effective that attitude towards each other is, we are at 3000 members this fast and climbing.
So pass the word to everyone you know who loves ANY kind of blade, we WANT you to check us out, and we ALL work hard at being inclusive and welcoming to everyone.
 
If someone doesn't feel welcome here , they are going to have a hard time finding any place else where they will feel more welcome.

One gets out of a forum , what they put in. KD is rapidly becoming a great area of the online knife community.
 
If someone doesn't feel welcome here , they are going to have a hard time finding any place else where they will feel more welcome.

One gets out of a forum , what they put in. KD is rapidly becoming a great area of the online knife community.

I can attest to that!
I recognize some of you folks from here-n-there,and there are some Big Names and incredible talent here that might be daunting to some of us guys:the "little dog in a big pound"...
However,I noticed the sign on the way in that reads "Check your Ego at the door",and have found that everyone here didn't even need that sign.
You folks are awesome in making a guy like me (a knife 'builder',not yet maker)
feel right at Home,and I thank you for all that you share.
 
I've been a member here going on 9 months now. I'm a Native American and have been a hobbyist Leathercrafter and Beadworker for 30 years. I'm also a member of two other knife sites, and this one has been by far, the friendliest and most receptive to new members I have yet come across. No matter what you do to make this site accomodating and user friendly to the new members, there will always be a select few who will be disatisfied and will wear their hearts on their sleeves, like the pansies they are. To these select few, I say "Man Up" or start collecting "Barbie" dolls.
 
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The first knife forum I joined (4 years ago) was Swamp Rat Chat,when I went looking for a HRLM.
There was a slight wait for the release ("two weeks":D ),and I checked in every few days or so,
and found a community of like minded folks there.
It's a slightly smaller,and primarily Swamp Rat Knives enthusiast-based forum,
but I tell ya,the folks there are just as welcoming as here.
I have yet to hear of anyone not sticking around because they were made to feel unwelcome,there's never been an arguement or dust-up,
and for me,it just feels like sittin' around Uncle Ted's back porch talkin' about knives,and Life.
I get the same vibe with this place,with the added benefit that there's some very gifted craftsmen pursuing the Art of Sharp.
 
i think this is the best site i have been to personally hope to get to now a few of you maybe even call a few friends i am a newer member a don't ever recall anyone being rude or out of line so i hope you know alot of us really appreciate this site keep up the good work and thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
If someone doesn't feel welcome here , they are going to have a hard time finding any place else where they will feel more welcome.

That's a very good point. If you want to fight, toot your own horn, or hint about "secrets", this probably isn't the place to be. I thank all of you for that.

I recently made friends with a new member here, who has since decided that this forum isn't right for him.

Frankly, I think he took some things that were said to him, the wrong way. I also think some of the things he said were taken the wrong way, but I could be wrong.

Many times, words typed on a computer aren't understood the same way they would be, if people were face-to-face over a cup of coffee. Smilies can help, but not always. In general, if you're a real touchy/sensitive/insecure kinda person, you're gonna find an excuse to get offended online. Not sayin' that's what happened with anyone in particular, but it could be.

I stuck up for him in private when things got a little heated. A certain mod, who I respect, knows what I mean. In retrospect, I should have kept my mouth shut. After some reflection, I can see that this fellow sometimes ignored the rules and maybe he got tee'd off when he was reminded of that.

In any case, this particular fellow and I are still in contact by other means, and I will keep trying to follow the forum rules. I like it here!
 
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I am a new member and felt very comfortable here. I have not had many posts, but all questions have been answered professionaly. I would like to thank all of the people on this forum for helping me out.
Thanks,
Rickey
 
The few who come to this site and start complaining almost immediately upon arrival, are generally people who start making demands of others and then get upset if they don't get the immediate or type of response they believe they deserve. They want answers to questions that are so "detailed" that it can't just be explained in a thread, but must be taught, visualized, and experienced to be done correctly. It would be like me attempting to tell someone how to do Beadwork without actually showing them the correct way to stitch the beads. It's ridiculous. So, if these people can't come here and show the proper respect for the other members, I say let the little "whiners" go home and bake cookies, because we don't need a bunch of "Nancy boys" here anyway!
 
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hey now,...I agree with you on all that except:I LIKE cookies,and have even made some here and there!:D
 
Being a new member here, I can't fathom how anyone would feel this way. Understandably, many members have gained a close friendship with other members and chat up like a brother or sister would, but I have never seen anyone excluded as a private club would do.

I think the comments are too vague, but something had to cause the member to come to that conclusion. Maybe no one massaged his ego?
 
You know, just in case this person is out there "Lurking" and looking at this thread......

I would personally like to ask you to come back and give it another try. No one but Boss Dog has any clue as to who you are. Just come on back and start all over again. Give this place another shot. I don't think you will be disappointed.

It takes two to make a friendship,Start talking to others, Post in the threads, ask those questions you want answers to. Shoot me a friendship request, I'll accept it.... I like having friends. You might like the new style Tanto blades while I like the more Traditional ones... So what? We can agree to disagree, Maybe even "Rib" each other over silly little stuff like this. It really is only as fun as you make it. C'mon back and help make this a friendly, helpful place. It already is, but we can make it more fun, more friendly, more helpful.:D

You know, a knife doesn't make itself. The grinder can turn and work all day long, but until you put "Steel to the wheel", nothing happens. We all have to put in the effort to put the "Steel to the Wheel". THAT is when a knife starts taking shape.2thumbs
 
Hey Boss, as you have been in the "bizz" a long time, you no doubt have learned the axiom of "you can't please all the people all the time." That surely holds true for retail, service and ultimately forum. If you try, you end up not pleasing anybody. That's why more than one knife forum, retail store, knife maker, etc exists.

One thing I have learned in my professional life is the cold, emotionless avenue of communication that forums, email and the like tend to be. Someone could write something and it be percieved totally opposite than the way intended, opposite of how you would take it if you could see and hear the person speaking. However "perception is reality" and 80% of all communication is "non-verbal" or in our case "non-digital." Tone and inflection, intent and sarcasm can't really be fully appreciated - no matter how many emoticons you use. Thus care is warrented by the writer and open-mindedness by the reader. Some folks just aren't that good at one or the other.

My final thought - just dont worry about it too much...isn't the site going in the direction you want? I think so. Your "new to making" section should be sufficient.

As for the "offended party" - don't be afraid to 'show your ignorance' and ask the 'dumb question'. Nobody's gonna ridicule you. From the most saged maker to the freshest newb here, we all have had to find the courage to ask the question or cringe over our mistake and seek sympathy. Trust me, more than one person here has made every mistake possible more than once and ultimately feel great when we are able to help someone else avoid said catastrophe.

If you want a place to learn - this is a great one!
 
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At this point after all the energy spent "replying" to this, most everyone is probably curious who this person is and if he has returned. If so, it would be nice if they felt like identifying their self.
 
I completely understand we can't please everybody. The no drama and active moderation we have here is repugnant to some. It's a preference that I completely understand. To be honest, I couldn't even tell you who sent me that email. I'm sure I could go find out if I poked around but I'm not going to. Hopefully they feel a bit better about the place.
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Hey Boss, as you have been in the "bizz" a long time, you no doubt have learned the axiom of "you can't please all the people all the time." That surely holds true for retail, service and ultimately forum. If you try, you end up not pleasing anybody. That's why more than one knife forum, retail store, knife maker, etc exists.

One thing I have learned in my professional life is the cold, emotionless avenue of communication that forums, email and the like tend to be. Someone could write something and it be percieved totally opposite than the way intended, opposite of how you would take it if you could see and hear the person speaking. However "perception is reality" and 80% of all communication is "non-verbal" or in our case "non-digital." Tone and inflection, intent and sarcasm can't really be fully appreciated - no matter how many emoticons you use. Thus care is warrented by the writer and open-mindedness by the reader. Some folks just aren't that good at one or the other.

My final thought - just dont worry about it too much...isn't the site going in the direction you want? I think so. Your "new to making" section should be sufficient.

As for the "offended party" - don't be afraid to 'show your ignorance' and ask the 'dumb question'. Nobody's gonna ridicule you. From the most saged maker to the freshest newb here, we all have had to find the courage to ask the question or cringe over our mistake and seek sympathy. Trust me, more than one person here has made every mistake possible more than once and ultimately feel great when we are able to help someone else avoid said catastrophe.

If you want a place to learn - this is a great one!
 
There are 3 knife sites that I frequent,the 1st,is one that I stumbled across 4 years ago looking for a tank-tough knife that could take all I had to give it,and more.(and that I could afford!).
I had never been on a computer,much less a forum prior to that,
and while I awaited the knife's release,I discovered the Knife Community.
The folks there were much like the folks here,
Welcoming
Supportive
Giving
Understanding
and when warranted,
Forgiving.
They offered me Guidance,not Direction.
They offered me Empathy,
not Sympathy or Pity.
They offered me a place that came to feel like a Second Home...
I've found all that here on KnifeDogs as well.
It's likely that some of those same folks are present here too.
I've found that Knife Folk are "cut from the same cloth",
and they are the most stellar people I've been blessed to know.
Personally,I've yet to read ANYTHING here that could have been construed as negative,but hey,that's just me.
All I know is I'm thankfull for this place,and the folks who make it.
 
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