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Just remember guys #ItsOKtoDisagree and still be friends

This is a great forum. We learn so much from each other and our differences are what makes us better. Better makers. Better people. I was just hoping to collect some stories from you guys about CoVid - not divide us.

Like I said before, for me, I will proudly stand beside anyone of you and fight n die for our right to be free. That means to be free to believe, think and act how we want to.

NOWHERE CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE BEING FREE MEANS WE ALL HAVE TO BE THE SAME #ItsOKtoBeDifferent
 
The second part, not so much. Being pro life is about saving innocent babies lives, so that they can live just like you and me. Socialized medicine is a horrible idea, would harm more people than it would help, and has nothing to do with the murder of infants.
I will disagree 100% here. What your saying is contradictory and you are putting the value of an unborn person above those that are already born. Saving a life is saving a life. Why should we (society in general) put more value on a potential life opposed to an already actual life? Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that an already existing life has more value than an unborn, I feel that they are equal. And as such, deserve equal respect and protection under the law.
and will pray for you
Thanks, but not needed. I've got plenty of folks (including myself) praying for me. Save the efforts for those who need it more.
Have you honestly considered if socialism caused some of the problems into the first place?
Not sure how you are connecting socialist ideals with me having a seizure disorder. Please explain this connection you are trying to make.

But having a social safety net allowed me to get through the past 3+ years and is allowing me to work back towards being a productive member of society. If I had to rely on our free market system, I would have had health insurance for the first 3 months under the FMLA , then I would have been left on my own for the next 3+ years while I waited for my "speedy" trial.

The CDC and WHO have publicly said that the chance of transmitting it from asymptomatic people is almost non-existent, contrary to what you hear on the news every day.
I'm not sure where you're getting that. According to the CDC website:
  • Some recent studies have suggested that COVID-19 may be spread by people who are not showing symptoms.
We (the human race) don't know enough about this virus, and should be allowing the scientists to do their job, figure this out, and then provide recommendations based on that knowledge base.

The point behind mask wearing is not to guarantee that any one person won't spread or catch the disease. The available evidence-based knowledge indicates that mask wearing slows down the transmission/spread which will help to prevent our doctors/nurses/hospitals etc from being overwhelmed and forced to start rationing care. I think I heard yesterday that hospitals in WI and TX are close to having to start choosing who gets treated and who doesn't.

And this is no different than choosing who gets to be born and who doesn't

Stay safe everyone!
 
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Lies. You ever been to Texas? Choosing who to treat? Lies. Someone is feeding you lies.
*sigh* I agree.

While we all are allowed our own opinions of the relevance of facts, there should be no dispute on the facts. You can call it fake news, but until you can show me any opposing statements by health officials or hospital administrators (read: people who know more than you or I about this topic) you will be unable to convince anyone that what is reported are lies.

According to the news on NPR last night, a hospital administrator in one of the larger cities (Houston, I think) was interviewed, and said that they are approaching their capacity in the ICU and at the rate of admissions due to the uptick, he said at that rate in a day or so they will have to find other places for new cases. Also, hospitals in Colorado and MT have been having to send patients to Salt Lake City, due to no more room, and Utah is now approaching their capacity and may have to start choosing who to treat and who to say, so sorry, you lose.

Greg, I'll encourage you to re-read my comment. I said that it was reported that they are getting close to having to do this, not that it has started to happen yet. These are people looking at the trends, and seeing what's down the road. A couple/few of months ago, scientists and medical professionals were warning about seeing an increase in cases once the summer was over. How often did we hear that was "fake news" by our idiot in chief and his minions? Well, look what's happening all over the Northern hemisphere now that summer is over.
Again, I'll encourage everyone to listen to medical professionals when discussing medical and health issues and listen to politicians only when they are talking politics.
 
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BillyO, I would just like to explain why I said some things. An unborn life is not more important than a born life. But there is a reason that hunters shoot bucks and not fawns. The fawns cannot defend themselves, while the bucks can run away. And as I said, I believe that socialized medicine would harm far more born people (and probably unborn) than it would help. So if I am pro life, I would automatically want the best healthcare for everyone, which I believe is something big brother would ruin, hurting many people.

I'm glad others are sending up prayers for you. As always, the more the merrier!

I didn't mean that socialism caused your health problems. I was just wondering whether it influenced your false felony charge and not being able to get your license back in a while.

So to sum it up, I would just like to say that I would have no qualms killing a buck, but would feel terrible shooting a fawn. Why is that? Thanks, Alden
 
But there is a reason that hunters shoot bucks and not fawns. The fawns cannot defend themselves, while the bucks can run away.
I see where you are going with this, but no one can run away from health problems.
I was just wondering whether it influenced your false felony charge and not being able to get your license back in a while.
I'll start this by saying this is pure speculation on my part: I actually feel that free-market thinking influenced the charges, and the injured party and their lawyers were trying to get more $ from me than the insurance payments. It's possible that the insurance company had some exclusions to limit their liability and not pay out as much. (don't get me started on the insurance companies) In the years leading up to the trial, I had to attend multiple pre-trial hearings that were supposed to be under an hour, however each one had me spend entire afternoons in the courthouse with lawyer and the DA behind closed doors with the judge. After each one, my lawyers said they couldn't explain why the DA was pursuing the charges once I was diagnosed with the epilepsy (me: no history of bad driving and no history of epilepsy, lose consciousness while driving to a patient's house, go through 2 months of multiple medical tests until an EEG finds abnormal brain activity that indicates seizure disorder, finally ending up on meds with a lifetime condition. Seems pretty clear that it's more likely the accident was caused by a seizure than me suddenly deciding to try to pass a pilot car right as we were approaching repaving machinery.) other than because of pressure from the injured party to continue with the case. I was told the sessions were so long because the judge was trying to reason with the DA and point out that it would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I "Intentionally or knowingly caused serious physical injury to another; or Recklessly caused serious physical injury to another by means of a deadly or dangerous weapon under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life."
Sorry that was long, but I believe that if this country had more socialist tendencies to help take care of people who experience unfortunate events, the injured party wouldn't have been trying to get more from me, and I would have been able to resume my physical therapy profession much sooner.
Why is that?
I have no idea. A lot of people would have qualms with shooting either. And they are no less of a person than anyone else.
 
I see where you are going with this, but no one can run away from health problems.
Yes, death and disease are common and inescapable. Everyone will die and everyone has health problems, some much more than others. However, as functioning adults, people can realize this and: save up money for their own, friends, and family's future operations, ask for help from friends and families, churches, charities, local people, county governments, state governments, and finally federal government. My point here is that, in my opinion, our federal government should be the last place someone should go for help.
I actually feel that free-market thinking influenced the charges, and the injured party and their lawyers were trying to get more $ from me than the insurance payments. It's possible that the insurance company had some exclusions to limit their liability and not pay out as much. (don't get me started on the insurance companies)
My thinking here will probably seem contradictory from my last statement, but hear me out. I think it would work really well if the government paid for crazy things happening, that way insurance would be a lot lower. As it stands, insurance companies have to charge big bucks so that they can pay for those things that never happen, when they do happen. I really like Ben Carson's book America the Beautiful, because it looks at how the medical field actually works, and how it could be made to work better. Things like changing from paper to computer. And do you think that the injured party wouldn't have tried to press charges against you under socialist rule? This is why people hate socialism so much, the individual is lost in the hugeness of government and institutions. Wouldn't it all have worked out better if you had apologized with the injured out of court, made it right with him as far as you could, and never have your license revoked in the first place? I'm not saying that could have happened, but I'm guessing everyone would have been happier in the end.
And they are no less of a person than anyone else.
Sure, but just to make sure, you do believe in moral absolutes? Just that word phrasing makes me wonder. Some things are good, some things are evil, and that is that? Otherwise we would have to back up a lot.
I had to attend multiple pre-trial hearings that were supposed to be under an hour, however each one had me spend entire afternoons in the courthouse with lawyer and the DA behind closed doors with the judge
If the justice system were following our constitution which says that "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury" I'm not sure this would have happened. I would also like to quote John Adams here: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." NO government will work if the governed are not moral, even America's great republic.
 
Nice attempt to paint me with a broad brush while knowing almost nothing about me personally, @Bruce McLeish,, but this is just more proof that generalizations like that are often wrong.
I moved here less than a year ago for the public transportation options after having to sell my house and property in the rural Cascades where I've lived for the past 18 years because I had to stop driving due to my seizure diagnosis.
 
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However, as functioning adults, people can realize this and: save up money for their own, friends, and family's future operations, ask for help from friends and families, churches, charities, local people, county governments, state governments, and finally federal government.
The thing that everyone, needs to recognize (especially those who have never gone through seriously hard times because they were fortunate to have been born into a family/community that was able to support them), is that there are a lot of people who don't have the social safety net of family or community.
I was fortunate to have had enough back-up that the last 4 years, while difficult, were a lot easier than they could have been, or are for a lot of people. I had the cash on hand for bail and to afford a lawyer, I had a house, property, savings, retirement (whatever you want to call it) that I was able to sell and tap into to allow me to afford to rent, buy food, pay for medical bills until I could get back to work. I had a friend who had a treehouse in his back yard that his kids used when young where I could sleep and keep my stuff dry after I sold my house and waited for the trial. had family that let me borrow money to meet my needs until my house sold.
I can't imagine how hard life would have been (or would be) if any one of the above weren't true, and most people on the planet don't have the similar social safety net.
(As an aside, let me suggest a little experience that might help folks gain some empathy for those who are homeless. Spend just 1 day without using your indoor faucets for water and see how difficult it is to wash, eat, go to the bathroom, etc. Then imagine preparing for a job interview under the same circumstances.)
My point here is that, in my opinion, our federal government should be the last place someone should go for help.
I agree with what you are saying here. But the help should be adequate to meet the needs. And I agree that the Federal Govt should have less say in what each individual state does.
As it stands, insurance companies have to charge big bucks so that they can pay for those things that never happen, when they do happen.
Well, they also have to charge big bucks to pay for their lawyers who figure out ways for them not to pay out for claims. ;)
under socialist rule?
Another broad generalization. I'm not advocating for 'socialist rule' I don't know what you mean. I will admit that I am an advocate for policies that benefit the society over the individual. So if that's what you mean by socialist rule, then OK.
Wouldn't it all have worked out better if you had apologized with the injured out of court, made it right with him as far as you could, and never have your license revoked in the first place?
This is a completely separate conversation and I have a lot to say about this (but I won't). Let me just say briefly, that I believe yes, this should have happened, I wanted to do this but the system is not set up that way as I was prohibited from contacting the injured party. Perhaps I needed a better lawyer to force this to happen.
you do believe in moral absolutes?
Yes. There are 2. Love and care for everyone as much as you love and care for yourself. Love your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Some things are good, some things are evil, and that is that?
Not sure if this is a question or statement. But to respond, yes, there are choices/actions that are good, and those that are bad.
If we had enough information and could see all the situations that led up to any given action, we would be able to know if said action was good or bad. Most of the time we don't have all the necessary information, which is why there is a huge 'grey' area when it comes to judging other's choices.
NO government will work if the governed are not moral, even America's great republic.
No argument here.
 
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