Defensive Knife Class

[Gliden07]

I went to a defensive knife class today the gent teaching it was GREAT!! Very informative and eye opening. He is a professional Bounty Hunter, Body guard anf has extensive training in firearms and martial arts as well as edged weapons. Here are a few pics from the class.

 

[JeremyBartlett]

What did he say he would protect himself from with that freaking huge khukri??? Lol, that things looks massive! Glad you enjoyed the class!

 

[opaul]

I can think of only one item I would need to protect myself from a knife attack.

 

[John Wilson]

I can think of only one item I would need to protect myself from a knife attack.

I can think of two. But number 1 is 95% of it.

1. LOTS of distance
2. a gun

In fact, if I'm far enough away to prevent a knife attack it would be quicker to keep running given the option. Of course that option really depends on the intent and determination of the knife attacker, in which case #2 may be required to help him see the error of his ways.

 

[Gliden07]

I can think of two. But number 1 is 95% of it.

1. LOTS of distance
2. a gun

In fact, if I'm far enough away to prevent a knife attack it would be quicker to keep running given the option. Of course that option really depends on the intent and determination of the knife attacker, in which case #2 may be required to help him see the error of his ways.

Actually you are not far off!! The really quick explanation was, "Attack a gun, Run from a knife". They did a couple of demonstrations to show why these were the most effective options. VERY eye opening, also a folder vs a non folding knife and how much quicker and easier the non-folding knife was to deploy under stress. Primarily I was interested in laws scince I live in the Commie-Wealth of Mass, everything is illegal!! And the best way to address any situation where you would have to deploy a weapon was to run if you could or just avoid it period. The only time you should pull a weapon wether gun or knife is when you have NO CHOICE!! And even then you have to be prepared for the moral and social ramifications! It stinks that you even have to think about this type of thing!

 

[John Wilson]

I'm so happy that I live in a free state.

Back on topic... There is no good way to fight against a knife. Every option basically guarantees that you lose a lot of blood at a minimum. Of course, in a fight or die situation anything you do is a bonus rather than give up. But if the opportunity to get the hell away from there is an option, it's always the safest one.

 

[EdCaffreyMS]

Of all the "classes" I was required to go through during my military career, these types were some of my favorites. As a youngster (back when I was 10 feet tall and bulletproof) this was some of most eye opening training I received. In my later years, as one of the instructors, we always stressed distance, which in turn gives you options/decisions..... and when distance wasn't an option, "Disarm" is the objective.

Two lessons that were always drilled into use where:
1. Deadly Force: That force which an individual would know, or should know, would cause serious bodily harm or death.
2. Three circumstances that are required to be present in order the justify the use of deadly force:
A: Opportunity (Does the offender have the opportunity to cause you harm?)
B: Capability (Does the offender show/posses the capability to cause you harm?)
C: Intent (Does the offender show intent to cause you harm?)

For the average (not combat trained) person, the "21 feet rule" simply doesn't apply, and has been debunked many times. On the other hand, with a "trained" individual, that same "21 feet rule" was for many years, a "golden rule". Over time tactics taught have changed to compensate....which is why you see police officers often draw their sidearm immediately upon exiting their vehicle in recent times.

 

[Darrin Sanders]

Ed, its been several years but I've attended more than a few D/T classes. May I ask what you mean by the 21 ft. rule being "debunked"?

Oh BTW, I can make just about any type of knife a person could dream up and my knife of choice for a knife fight is an 870 pump. LOL

 

[KenH]

moral and social ramifications

Those two items are the least of my concerns - no matter how justified the reason, the courts are my big fear, both from a criminal and civil liability standpoint.

 

[Gliden07]

Those two items are the least of my concerns - no matter how justified the reason, the courts are my big fear, both from a criminal and civil liability standpoint.[/QUOTE

You are right about that! Especially in My State MA (also CT, RI and NY). My point is even if your justified in doing what you do, and are cleared of all charges you still have to live with it.

 

[Smallshop]

The only knife I would want to defend myself with is a Bruce Bump pistol knife.Shoot first...stab when empty...lol

 

[EdCaffreyMS]

May I ask what you mean by the 21 ft. rule being "debunked"?

For many years it was considered that within a radius of 21 feet, an individual with a knife would win out over an individual with a HOLSTERED sidearm. For a long time tactics training included placing a hand on a holstered weapon in preparation to POSSIBLY draw/use the sidearm. This scenario gave an individual with a knife in hand, and advantage. For the most part it took a long while for agencies to realize that a change in tactics would easily negate the "21 feet rule"..... the answer was simply to have a sidearm drawn and ready before it was required..... the change in tactics training is the reason you see many Police officers draw their sidearm as soon as they exit their vehicle.... most training agencies now teach it that way...... of course depending on the specific responses circumstances.

Even the military changed slightly over the years..... but that's a different animal.

 

[Gliden07]

What did he say he would protect himself from with that freaking huge khukri??? Lol, that things looks massive! Glad you enjoyed the class!

That Khukri was made by someone that gifted it to the instructor on a trip to South Korea Doug (the instructor) told me it was made from a Jeep leaf spring from a junk jeep from the War. It was massive if it didn't weigh 4 pounds it didn't weigh 1. I swung it a couple times you would have to be the size of Andre the Giant to swing it more than 2 times!!

 

[Darrin Sanders]

For many years it was considered that within a radius of 21 feet, an individual with a knife would win out over an individual with a HOLSTERED sidearm. For a long time tactics training included placing a hand on a holstered weapon in preparation to POSSIBLY draw/use the sidearm. This scenario gave an individual with a knife in hand, and advantage. For the most part it took a long while for agencies to realize that a change in tactics would easily negate the "21 feet rule"..... the answer was simply to have a sidearm drawn and ready before it was required..... the change in tactics training is the reason you see many Police officers draw their sidearm as soon as they exit their vehicle.... most training agencies now teach it that way...... of course depending on the specific responses circumstances.

Even the military changed slightly over the years..... but that's a different animal.

Ok, I see what you're saying now. Like I said, I took several defensive tactics classes during my LE tenure and know full well about the 21 ft. rule. I thought that you were saying that it had been proven that a trained person could defeat the attacker with a holstered weapon and I had to know how that was possible. LOL

 

[Gliden07]

One of the Demos they did kinda debunked the 21ft rule as far as edged folding blades. Now it was plenty of time to pull a fixed blade. Very eye-opening