letting of a little steam

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franklin

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I love how i see no carry signs on store front windows and when i walk in and ask they say its to keep me and others safe. I say safe? How is that keeping
me and others safe? What have you done to help me stay safe i ask!
Answer i posted the sign no guns.
Reply: Do you think that's going to stop a robber from robbing you at gun point if they want your money? or to stop a murderer from spraying the place with bullets?
answer: oh probably not.
my reply: Then why would you not let me or a certified permit holder carry in your store that might just save you?
answer: (crickets)
my reply: please reconsider your decision, and then gave him a card and invited him to come shoot or answer any questions he would have. Maybe just maybe i got through to one who knows. thanks for letting me vent stay safe larry franklin
 
I'm on board 100% with you. Guns are powerful and scare people and some would rather not be reminded about them. I find it irresponsible to refuse to be armed as you're then throwing the burden of keeping you safe onto someone else. Same deal with the gun free zones - why are our highest-value locations, our schools, public buildings with the most people in them the places where we're unable to legally defend? I'm going to stop myself, as this discussion has many forums already devoted to it, if you'd like to talk further throw me a Facebook invite as I am quite passionate on the subject. Again, I hear you and agree wholeheartedly.
 
Thanks frank i will. Just bothers me when you ask they are totally lost and can only barf up what they hear on tv. STOP!!!! learn about some thing before you condemn it.
When i asked what they did to protect someone instead of letting them carry you should of seen him squirm then answer i put up the sign he new that was a lame answer. He looked ashamed for a better word. Just hope he really thinks about the answers he gave and what reallity is. https://www.facebook.com/larry.franklin.50?ref=tn_tnmn could not find you so hears a link to my facebook page,theres a lot of frank hunters LOL
 
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Brother I am so with you on this issue. I am not sure whether Boss really want these kind of threads or not because, there is always a passion on both sides of this issue, and I get it because I am impassioned about as anyone. Please folks if you are going to enter into this discussion, do it intelligently and leave all the school yard issues of name calling and stupidity out of it. Or as they say think before you speak!

This is MHO on the subject of conceal carry!


As a conceal carry holder you have got to do the thinking! Because once you make that decision to draw that weapon you putting into motion a complete chain of events. Is this the best time for me to draw my weapon. Is there some one in my line of fire, will I draw return fire and are the people with and around me safe if I do? And that is just a few things you will have to consider!
You begin to have to think as a law enforcement officer does and yet you will have no one to back up your actions. If you have to shoot you will be the one facing whether or not it was a justified shoot!
Therefore the best thing anyone who has carry permit can do is to go to training. There are schools that offer courses where you are put into scenario's (with a non-functioning gun) to see how you will react. Then once trained not only in the proper way of doing things, they will put you in a live fire situation, with pop-up bad guys and good guys. It is up to you to decided whether to shoot or not! It is the same kind of training that police get!

If you can't like me afford those kind of courses then the next best thing is to try and train your mind and yourself for any given situation. You have to have the ability to think on your feet in a given situation. Once that adrenaline caused by the situation kicks in, you have got to be able to think and if you feel you may not be able to, then it is probably better to stay out of that situation.

It has long been know by law enforcement that once the adrenaline kicks in you may have tunnel vision. In other words you are so locked in that you only see one thing in your mind, the bad guy. There have been cases studied where law enforcement officers shot at a bad guy and even though they saw them, their mind totally blocked out what was in his line of fire, they has been cases where they swore they had only made two shots and there were several casings on the ground. There have been cases where the officer had ordered the suspect down and they completely forgot that they had said it! That adrenaline rush is a powerful thing but, with proper thought and training it can virtually be over come.

I am not saying you always are going to have to kill someone but anytime you draw that weapon it becomes a real possibility! One of the first things I was taught as a child when it came to gun safety was, "never point a gun at anything you didn't want to kill". Because once you point a gun at someone or something, whether you think it is loaded or not loaded, killing it becomes a real possibility!

And the next thing you can do to help your confidence is too practice, practice, practice! The better you are at hitting what you are aiming at with that carry weapon the better the chance of things going the way you want them too when you have to draw it!

IMHO conceal carry is something that can be very beneficial but it comes with responsibilities that don't come lightly, just like gun ownership in general!
 
Thanks frank i will. Just bothers me when you ask they are totally lost and can only barf up what they hear on tv. STOP!!!! learn about some thing before you condemn it.
When i asked what they did to protect someone instead of letting them carry you should of seen him squirm then answer i put up the sign he new that was a lame answer. He looked ashamed for a better word. Just hope he really thinks about the answers he gave and what reallity is. https://www.facebook.com/larry.franklin.50?ref=tn_tnmn could not find you so hears a link to my facebook page,theres a lot of frank hunters LOL

The sadly funny thing is listening to news reports about shootings. "The man had over 2000 rounds of ammunition in his home!"

Well, I can tell you have never shot a gun or purchased much ammo? You buy ammo by the case for the best price and when you sight in a hunting rifle or any rifle or handgun for that matter, you want to not have to sight it in every time you buy a box of 50 rounds.

Also, don't you know that criminals always obey every posted sign & law?

Laurence

www.rhinoknives.com
 
I hear ya craft. Was not even trying to get into debates on whether to conceal or not,just people who slap up signs and have not learned any thing on the subject before doing so.
They don't even have a real stand of there own on the issue. So then why post the sign against it? kind of like some of these knife laws people are trying to pass,they don't now the difference between a liner,friction,gravity fed folder so how do they pass judment on or pass a law against it?
That is more of what i was venting about. I hear ya larry and thats what erks me they just dont now for lack of a better term.
 
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Ok, I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Let's say that I have a store. It's my store. I have the authority to say whether or not I will allow people with guns into my store. Just like I can tell someone whether or not they can carry a gun into my house. If I post my store to forbid firearms and I see someone with a gun I can challenge that person or even call the police without having to see if that person aims to rob me or not. When I lived in Virginia, which is a shall issue state, I don't recall many stores with no firearm signs on the doors but I doubt that there was a financial office or bank in the state that didn't have one. Whether you agree or not, business owners have to right to regulate their property just the same as you do. If you don't like it you don't have to do business with them. You don't have to appreciate their rules but you do have to follow them. Your concealed carry permit does not over ride property rights.

Doug
 
Again guys i am not venting about whether they have the right to say no they have every right,i just wont buy or go there.
what gets me is they dont even have there own oppinnion or they cant give you a reason for that given oppinnion. Doug i now you were giving a egsample, just wanted to emphesize again thats not what this is about. and we all now the rules thats not what this is about.
 
You know what I had a about a five paragraph answer to this and I have just deleted it. I like this forum too much and I am too impassioned in my beliefs and even though I was picking my words very carefully as I wrote it, reading back over it I can envision someone on the other side of this getting ready to lose their cool and say something we will all regret.

I will say this everyone out there has to be responsible for your neighbor. The very reason that we have gang problems, drive by shootings, crime in our streets and nuts that get away with a hundred other crimes is because no one wants to get involved any more. The very people who do these crimes live amongst us and it is your responsibility as a human being to stand up and be counted. After all they will continue to get away with these crimes as long as no one speaks out about. Burying your head in the sand to speak doesn't make you less likely to become a victim but more likely. It is the same reason the folks doing the suicide bombing in these third world countries get away with it because, everyone is afraid too come forward, and speak about what they have seen or know!

So stand up and be counted now, for one day you will have too stand up and see if your life was worthy, and on that day you really don't want too fall short!
 
I am closing this one and for the record I have and use a concealed carry permit.

1. Rule 1 here is No drama and the gun debate couldn't be more emotional.
2. We are a knife forum, not a gun or political debate forum.
3. Gentlemen, stop posting rants here. There are lots of good places to engage in a therapeutic rant conversation and while I appreciate you wanting to do that with your buddies here, see rule 1.

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