new here with some heat treat questions

bonehead

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OK, I'll confess. I don't make knives. But I have a few Kershaws that I love and EDC. :)

By way of introduction, I'll just say that I am a student and I am here because I have some heat treat questions that I hope somebody can point me in the right direction...

I am currently taking a materials technology class. For a lab, we were given 5 steel specimens of various shapes: 1” round, 1” hex, ¾” hex, 1” square, and 13/16” square. Each sample was about 1/3” thick. We were told that each shape corresponds to one of the following steels: 1018, 1045, 4140, 1215, and 8620.

For the lab we were supposed to test the hardness, then heat treat them, then test the hardness again. Finally, we are supposed to match each shape to the appropriate steel type.

The heat treat process consisted of being inside the heat treat furnace at 780°C for 20 minutes followed by an immediate quench in room temperature oil.

For hardness, here is what we measured. The first number is pre-heat treat. The second number is post heat treat.
1” round – 93 HRB then 87 HRB (marginally softer)
1” hex – 26 HRC then 35 HRC (harder)
¾” hex – 93 HRB then 76 HRB (much softer)
1” square – 17 HRC then 51 HRC (much harder)
13/16” square – 88 HRB to 44 HRC (much harder)


I am having difficulties matching up the results for each steel type. Here is what I have concluded so far:
1” square – 4140
13/16” square – 1045
1” round – 1018? (Didn’t respond much at all to heat treat process.)

After that, I am stuck. I have done a bit of research but can’t figure out how the 1215 and 8620 would respond to the heat treat process we put them through. The instructor won’t tell us the condition of the samples when we received them so we don’t know if they were hot rolled, cold-worked, annealed, cased hardened, etc. All he said was to look up how they are normally purchased and that might give us some ideas.

I know 8620 is commonly used in case hardening applications. I’m wondering if this sample would be the one that became much softer after our heat treat process?

Any suggestions would be helpful!
 
Before we answer I have to ask, Are you cheeting? Ed


I don't think so. I've done a bunch of research and really tried to solve this on my own. I've read about all the types of steels that we were given in a book from the engineering library at work, "Engineering Properties of Steels" plus some out of a heat treat book that we also had. I know that 1045 has enough carbon that it should get hard when quenched. Ditto for 4140. I know 1018 doesn't have enough carbon to direct harden, although it can be cased hardened. I know that 8120 is commonly cases hardened and used for shafts and the like but I don't know how it would respond to our method of heat treatment. I know 1215 is a free machining steel commonly used a screw stock. But again, I don't know how it would respond to our method of heat treatment.

I know that there is a carbon equivalent formula for alloy steels but can I use that with the 8120 and 1215 to determine if there is enough carbon equivalent to harden?

After my original post, I looked through a Ryerson stock catalog and have determined that the 8120 and 1215 are the least common of the samples I've been given, so I suspect that one of them is the 1" round. (Since that seems to be a common shape/size available in both 8120 and 1215.)

If I assume that the 3/4" hex was originally cold drawn 1018, would it have become significantly softer when heated above the critical temperature and then quenched?
 
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