Does this sound about right??

N.N

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I'm still a little new to this and haven't had what most of you pros would consider a proper test of anything. But I've used some of my blades and they seem to work well, and I've not had any complaints yet so I've just kept going. But I thought I might post here and see if this all sounds about right, just to see what kind of reactions/replies I get.


I've recently done several 1095 blades. My heat treat method is the backyard firepit with a hair dryer, charcoal, magnet and canola oil etc...not very scientific, but has seemed to work. Meaning the file skates and such and all appears to be working.

For 3 blades that I'm working on 2 are 1095 from Jantz and one is 1084 from USAknifemaker, fully annealed. I heated to beyond magnetic and even tried to let them soak for a few minutes, but that's easier said than done in the backyard setup. Anyway, quench for 10 seconds check for straightness, quench for a bit longer to finish cooling. Take them inside and clean up for temper. This time I decided to temper a little higher. One 2 hour cycle at 425, then another at 500, both water quenching. This is my kitchen oven, so who knows about the actual temp, right. But I actually pulled them out at about 1 hour 35 on the second because I noticed they had turned blue at the edge. Blue is the upper end right? I was worried that it would be too much so I pulled it a little early. All three looked like this. I've not had anything turn blue in the temper yet.

After quench I finished the grind and etched one the 1095's in boiling vinegar and then cleaned it up. it's got a very prominent hamon line from just behind the tip, 1/2in from the edge parallel to about a 1/4in above the base at the plunge. The hamon followed exactly where the blue coloration was. I think it looks very nice. While I know that doesn't mean anything about proper heat treat, the last 1095 I did, didn't have this. The older one was only noticeable at the spine where it got darker (I would assume this means the older one got harder to the spine than this newest one).

So, Is there anything you can say about the blue temper color or the hamon? I guess I'm looking for a little affirmation here that I'm at least getting things close enough to correct or just to gain a little more knowledge about my own personal procedures. Or is this just another one of those, you have to break it an look at it under a microscope to tell anything type threads? If you think it will help, I can upload a picture of the hamon at this point. Let me know what you think.

EDIT: oh, and what I thought was wierd was that the blue temper color didn't go all the way up to the spine. As stated, it followed where the hamon was. Is this normal? This one is going to a close friend, so at least I might get some good feedback on it.
 
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N.N, is your question just regarding the hamon and temper color, or are you looking or input on you process as a whole?

Hi Kevin,

I guess I'm stating the process as a whole so you'll know where I'm coming from. This was the first time that I've noticed the blue temper color come up to exactly where the hamon line now appears and I thought it odd that the whole blade didn't color blue. One might take this as affirmation that the heat treat was successful, at least at the edge of the blade. But I don't think that's necessarily true.

I did fail to mention that I dipped this blade, edge first, in the quench with the intention of creating a more uniform line on this one. It appears to have worked, as for the line...now I'm more worried about the temper and the hardness. Unfortunately, I've got no idea where I can have this tested locally.

I suppose I'm just trying to get some thoughts on this, other peoples experiences and opinions to as whether this sounds like what's suppose to happen, if I'm doing it correctly or that there is still no way to tell without a hardness testing, etc.

I don't know if the pic will tell you anything, but here it is....wish I got the line a little further up the blade, but oh well, it'll work.

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For one, you need to separate the heat treatment for the 1095 from the 1084. With your forge setup it would be hard to be consistent but I would heat the 1095 at a slightly lower temperature for a little longer than the 1084. I take it that you tempered one of the 1095 blades at 425° and the other at 500°. The 500° sounds a little high for 1095 unless you are trying to make a tougher blade at the expense of strength. If that was your goal I would recommend a steel like 5160 that was designed to be tougher in use than the 1095. The 425° with it sounds a little better for general use but something a little lower might not be bad for increased hardness, strength, and edge retention. Don't worry about the the bluish patina, especially if it was on the blade tempered at 500°. My suggestion is that you use the heck out of both blades to see how they hold up and let that show you what is right.

I think that you will find that 1084 and 5160 would be a little more forgiving with your situation. You also might want to look at the 80CRV2 that the New Jersey Steel Baron carries. It's the same or at least very close to the 1080+ that Alpha Knife Supply carries.

Doug
 
I didn't heat them at the same time....just on the same fire.

I think if the HT took (which I really do need to test), these will be fine. This particular knife is going to a friend, who I don't think, has very good sharpening skills. This one was very easy for me to sharpen....more so than the last few in 1095 that were tempered at 425 only. The friend isn't going to beat this up very much so I think the slightly tougher and easier to sharpen will be great for him. And on an occasional outing, I should have the opportunity to use it myself....so that's good for feedback.

The other 2 (1095 and 1084) are choppers, a cleaver (1095) and a big 6" camp knife (1084). So I think the softer blade will be fine for them as well.
 
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