Design advice?

Daniel Macina

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Ok guys I REALLY struggle with the finger well or whatever you want to call it on a knife just a comfortable place to put your finger on the handle. I can never seem to get a good transition from finger well to blade. Do you guys have any advice on this? Anything you particularly have found helpful?

Happy New year!
 
In either case I have found a definitive choil helps me place the finger stop, cutting edge and plunge line. I place it up to 1/8 to 1/4 inch away from the front edge of the finger stop. Sometimes I extend the choil up to 1/2 inch (on larger knives) on a knife where I am going to round off the spine but the user wants to be able to use a ferro rod then I go 1/2 inch and leave it square so they can use it for the ferro rods. I always put my plunge lines in the center of the choil. I also use the choil to deliniate where the top end of my scales (handle) will be placed. I allow enough space for a nice ricasso area. I do all of this based on what looks good to me and I judge it by eye. The choil is my second step in any knife. I profile the shape then I file the choil in with a chainsaw file. Maybe try drawing your shape like you want it then place a choil in front of the the finger stop. Use the choil as a benchmark to place the rest of your features. I will attach a couple of pics shortly which may help you to translate the gibberish above.
 
Take a knife you find comfortable and hold it in hand while you examine it carefully to understand the relationship of each part to the other and how each might effect its use, then use it and "feel" how changing any part would effect it usage. This is the first and most important aspect of good design as it is the use of the knife that has primary importance.
 
Ok guys I REALLY struggle with the finger well or whatever you want to call it on a knife just a comfortable place to put your finger on the handle. I can never seem to get a good transition from finger well to blade. Do you guys have any advice on this? Anything you particularly have found helpful?

Happy New year!
Daniel, are you primarily asking about feel or looks? I’m a total novice, but I have found that emulating the masters has been very helpful. I take a knife that I love and study it. How far up or down the knife maker cut the well with respect (proportion) to the rest of the knife... how wide is the well... what angles did the maker use to transition to the belly of the handle.... etc. It’s funny that every time I go slow and really put in study time into the design, everything seems to work out nicely. I always make sure to change one thing... this forces me to adapt and, therefore, learn something. I know this is probably not much help, but I find that it helps me.
 
@Kevin Zito mainly looks at this point. I can make something that feels decent but just doesn’t look “right”. You are absolutely right I need to really study others design instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
 
I really have to thank y’all. You put up with my endless questions and always give great advice. I promise pictures of my work are coming soon just haven’t quite felt comfortable posting pictures till I get a little better. You guys really are about the best folks out there.
 
instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
I have said this before but every time I try to create something new I always find a knife that has the same general shape. After this happened enough times I decided to concentrate more on execution than originality. When I was learning to play the drums a friend once told me to start playing in a group early even if I did not feel I was "good" enough because it would help me grow quicker. He was correct. I applied the same principal here and it has worked out well for me. No, my work is not as good as DE-Mo's but I post some of it any way because I learn from it. I have also found myself in a moment where I was going to just accept a flaw I saw in my work and then I thought "No, the forum guys will call me on it" (in a nice way) so I hang in there until it is fixed. It really does help.
 
Here is a very gracious knife maker that shares his patterns on his website. Lots to look at and can be printed out on just about any printer. It has helped me on the design side. Take a look.
I have used his profiles many times with small changes to suit my tastes there is also a lot of other useful info on his site. Another book I have just read is 101 Knife Designs by Murray Carter. He talks a good bit about design so it is worth the read plus there are some included knife templates in the back of the book.
 
Bob Engnath Knife Patterns were made available upon his passing. If you can't find them by googlefu shoot me an email. I'm pretty Loveless's were also.
 
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