Hey Bruce , I got the washers today . I have to tell you I've used washers before , but not like these . First off they are larger overall . Next they are thick ! At least twice the thickness of the ones I got from another supply house . Great stuff . The leather is top notch as well . When I do a leather stacked handle , I usually soak it in heated Watco danish oil after it's put together. When it dries , I usually give it a week , it gives a grip that doesn't wanna let go . These are great ! Drawing something Scagle-like up this weekend . Thanks again , Bill