Gentlemen , thank you. I tried to do Mr Loveless proud. Would you believe the gentleman sent it back to me. He said that it just wasnt what he wanted , He asked me to make him another, so i did.He sent it back also.This time he sent a piece of desert iron wood that he had, that he wanted me to install on the handle. I am in the process of finishing this one. The other two that he sent back to me were sold the day that i recieved them, I had some guys that were sitting in my shop when the mail carrier delievered them back to me. Both knives sold as soon as i opened the package up. Scott