Forge Burner

Discussion in 'Knife Dogs Main Forum' started by Gliden07, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. Gliden07

    Gliden07 Well-Known Member

    My forge burner. We shall see if it works? Testing next week maybe if I have time?
     

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  2. opaul

    opaul Active Member

    Nice work!
     
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  3. Gliden07

    Gliden07 Well-Known Member

    We shall see!! I'm hoping it works I'm building a mini forge similar to the Atlas, this burner is larger than the Atlas at 3/4" so I'm hoping it will work as good or better even with my lack of burner knowledge?
     
  4. Wayne Coe

    Wayne Coe Forum Owner - Moderator

    Good luck. It looks like you have tried to modify the Frosty T burner from www.IFoargeIron.com, but I doubt very seriously that you will have adequate air supply.

    Let me know if I can help you.
     
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  5. Gliden07

    Gliden07 Well-Known Member

    I copyied it from a YouTube channel called Bear River Knives. This is what he claims to use in his forge. I had almost all the material in my junk pile except the brass fitting on the gas supply. So I figured I'd give it a shot? I suppose I could open up the semi circular slots with my Dremel for some more air if need be.

    Also Wayne I will be in touch I want to get some of that IR coating you sell on your site. Did you ever determine which one works better out of the 2 you sell the Plistex or Metrocote??

    Thanks
     
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  6. Wayne Coe

    Wayne Coe Forum Owner - Moderator

    Gliden, I have used both and both work. I have not done any side by side testing.
     
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    Smallshop KNIFE MAKER

  8. Gliden07

    Gliden07 Well-Known Member

    Thank you Sir!! I will definitely read this. Wayne's site has a GREAT article on them too! Thank you for that Wayne!!
     
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  9. Smallshop

    Smallshop KNIFE MAKER

    I don't go there as i am stock removal only...Wayne's link had a typo so I search it and linked it.
     
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  10. Gliden07

    Gliden07 Well-Known Member

    I do stock removal also but I want to do some bigger knives and will try forging them eventually. Matter of fact I hit a buddy of mine up for an empty refrigerant tank the other day. He said he would drop it off. Problem is like most no time to play!!
     
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  11. Kevin Zito

    Kevin Zito KNIFE MAKER

    Very Nice!
     
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  12. Wayne Coe

    Wayne Coe Forum Owner - Moderator

    Thanks Ted, I went back to it and corrected the url.
     
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  13. latticino

    latticino New Member

    Naturally aspirated (NA) burners are very subject to malfunction, or poor function due to extremely small variations in their assembly and geometry. The alignment, position and size of the gas orifice is arguably the most critical aspect of the burner design. The best burner designs, IMHO, have either this geometry well tested and "locked down" or have the ability to modify to allow tuning (i.e. slides to allow moving the burner orifice up and down the mixing chamber, replaceable orifice parts to allow easy orifice size changes, movable shrouds for air inlet...). Your burner design does not appear to have any ability to be easily tuned and is an untried design for the size of forge. I'm not familiar with the Bear River forge burner video and don't know how much detail he goes into regarding construction in the video, or if you just followed what you thought was the design based on viewing it in a video of him working.

    I'm afraid that unless you get lucky on a first time trial that you are in for some disappointment. Please note that NA burners can be both too small and too large for a forge and will behave quite differently burning in free air than in the forge proper.

    By all means test your burner, but please be careful. You will need a properly designed gas train with a good 0-30 psi propane regulator (preferably with a gauge), and not just one from an old propane barbeque, and a 1/4 turn gas rated ball valve to allow you to shut off the gas quickly in case of trouble. Please don't try to use just the propane tank valve as a device for safety shutoff and metering.
     
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  14. Gliden07

    Gliden07 Well-Known Member

    Latticino thank you for your input. I do have 0-30 PSI regulator. No gauge as of yet I tried to get a gas rated ball valve from my local hardware store but they didn't have one. I will probably end up getting one from Wayne Coe when I order the IR liner.
     
  15. Gliden07

    Gliden07 Well-Known Member

    Well I tried the burner. As some figured, It was not getting enough air so I drilled 2 more holes on either side of the scallops and filed the holes out to blend into the scallops. After that it was blowing the flame out as soon as I turned the regulator pressure up, for testing I made a heavy duty Aluminium foil cone. It worked very good. I believe that when I get the burner end into the forge it should work (fingers crossed!!)? Testing will continue!!
     
  16. EdCaffreyMS

    EdCaffreyMS Forum Owner - Moderator

    Just a note, a burner will not operate the same in "open air" as it will when inserted into a forge body....... I've had a number of people contact me about this very thing, seeking advice, and had it happen to me in my early days of forging. It's just the nature of the beast so to speak.
     
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  17. Gliden07

    Gliden07 Well-Known Member

    I'm gonna cut the hole in the forge and finish it up see how it works then move on!! Gotta finish it and learn from my mustakes!! We shall see probably be a week or better before its done. Lot going on right now!! No time to play!!
     
  18. Gliden07

    Gliden07 Well-Known Member

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    Here is a pic of the modified intake. I am going to install in my little mini forge, see what happens, I may make a small sleeve/choke to adjust the air intake if needed. Obviously I want it to work but I'm having fun playing while building too, and I learn a lot doing this too!
     
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  19. Smallshop

    Smallshop KNIFE MAKER

    I don't know if Ed is going to update his photos on his forge WIP on his website. I saw it before Photobucket? broke the links...it's amazing and he knows his stuff. You might be able to extrapolate some knowledge there also. That WIP is old and I think he has been using that forge successfully for a few years now.
     
  20. EdCaffreyMS

    EdCaffreyMS Forum Owner - Moderator

    Thanks for reminding me of that Ted..... that stupid Photobucket debacle destroyed just about all my post that included pics. I'll see what I can do.

    Note on the burner design (which I should have thought about mentioning sooner).... the ROUGH ratio of burner tube size to "bell" or air openings for a venturi type/style burner is 3 to 1. That means if you're using a 1" burner tube, you need either a 3" bell reducer, or the equivalent area of draw if the burner is designed as pictured above.

    Fuel pressure also plays a part too.... because the fuel input pressure is what creates the vacuum that causes the burner to "suck in" atmosphere. The smaller "venturi" to burner tube ratio, the higher the fuel pressure required to create sufficient vacuum...... the down side is that the higher the fuel pressure the less inherent control you will have over the burner.

    If you try to stick with the 3 to 1 ratio, you tend to get the "best of both worlds"..... efficient burner/fuel consumption, and controlability.
     
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