Before heat treat...

Dennis Morland

KNIFE MAKER
It depends on how close to finish grind you want to be before heat treatment. If you have to grind a great deal after heat treat - it doesn’t really matter what grit you stop at before heat treat. You are going to grind it all off anyways.
 

Bowland

Active Member
Depends on the blade dimensions, steel chose and purpose.
I dont want to crack or warp a thin blade ground down to finish or near finish but I also don't want a big heavy blade with a massive amount of grinding yet to be done, especially if forged from a highly wear resistant steel.
 

Jason Volkert

KNIFE MAKER
1084 I go to 60grit because right after I'm going to start grinding at 60grit to finish the bevels. The profile I do take to 220 though.
 

Gliden07

Well-Known Member
Depends on thickness of the steel used and on forged or material removal. Thin material removal knives, nothing on the flats, profile with 220 (this is to prevent warping), thicker material removal knives, 400 plain carbon blades 600 on Damascus. Forged blades I try never to get thinner than a dime on the cutting edge, grind up to 220 grit then heat treat, and do my finish grind routine, 220G, A100, A65, A45 again depending on purpose of knife up to 800ish max (A35 or A30). Then hand sand with last belt grit parallel to blade to get rid of belt grind lines. I don't like mirror grinds on my knives. I want them to be used as intended and the mirrored finish as good as it looks tends to make most people not use them because they don't want to scratch them (please note this is all my opinion!). This is just what works for me.
 

Kevin R. Cashen

Super Moderator
I have found that anything under 120X runs the risk of stress riser fracturing, if the blade reaches maximum hardness. I teach most of my students to take them to 220X. Less than this will be tougher to remove when the blade is hard, and I discourage those not very used to things like wet grinding to do too much heavy grinding after heat treatment. On the other hand, if they go finer than 220X they will probably just end up back at 220X to remove scale, decarb, and other effects of the heat treatment unless they really have atmosphere under control.

I, personally, will go to 400X or even 600X before heat treatment, due to the equipment I use to control atmospheric effects. I have simply done hand finishing after heat treatment in the past.
 
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EdCaffreyMS

"The Montana Bladesmith"
If heat treating via methods that most folks use (forge/torch/heat treat oven for heating) I'm with Kevin! At LEAST 120 grit finish....for the reasons he stated. Again, like Kevin, in some instances, I will go to final finish grit before heat treating when I am using the salt tank....blades come out so "clean", that only some light hand finishing is necessary to finish. I often do this with folder blades, since tolerances have to be much tighter than straight blades. ;)
 

Bruce McLeish

Well-Known Member
Thanks for all the replies , guys. I was leaning toward 220 on this Bowie so I believe that's where I'm going with it.
 

Randy Lucius

Well-Known Member
220 grit for me too before heat treating. I always go back to the grinder with a 120 belt to thin down and finish the bevel. Flats I’ll do a quick 400 to get a head start on the finish hand work.
 
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