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Thread: Bibles

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    Bibles

    I am looking for a new bible. I have a very old 1610 edition and my every day KJV bible along with a couple of other version for sometimes comparitive readings but what I am looking for is a KJV that has no notes or center references and no study guides at the rear of the book.



    I just want a plain bible (preferably leather bound) that starts at Genesis and finishes at Revelation with no other additional pages or notes, but am not able to find one so if anyone can point me to a source for something like that I would be gratefull.
    Von Gruff

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    First guess would be CBD (Christian Book Distributors). They are on line & pretty much if it is in print (or has been & isn't sold out), they have it.

    The other question to ask oneself is why they want to stay with a specific translation... Not that the KJV is a poor translation, but it is just that, a translation.
    The main disadvantage of it is that it uses quite antiquated language... language that we do no use, language that we often need to have explained to us, which eliminates the point of a translation. The goal of any good translation (Biblical or otherwise) is to accurately put the exact words in to the heart language of the listener.
    The hope of buying a Bible is that the owner will read it. Just the difficulty of reading a Spanish Bible would keep most of us from spending adequate time in the Word, most of the older KJV's do not encourage the reader to spend lots of time.

    Other very accurate Word for Word translations of the Bible are available... the most accurate that I am familiar with being the New American Standard. As someone who works with the original languages on a weekly basis I am very comfortable recommending the NASB.

    The other challenge for the KJV variants, is the fact that we have more and better research & understanding of older and larger quantities of texts then we did when the KJV groups were translated (minus the New KJV / NKJ). Now these are not major breakthroughs that change big theology or anything. They are small details that we now see clearer than before because of added research. So for instance, (& I forget where exactly it comes off the top of my head), but the KJV talks about horses being bought from Egypt because at the time of the translations the Hittite kingdoms / cities were still undiscovered. Now we know where that specific city was & that the horses came not from Egypt but from the Hittites. Big deal? Not hardly. But an advantage of a more modern translation.

    God Bless,

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    To answer your question as to why I want to stay with a particular rendering of Gods Word.

    I was bought up on the KJV and find it to impart the sense of awe to Gods Word that I felt going into the church as a 3 and 4 year old boy. That is missing for me when I read the other versions and while I except that Jesus wants us as friends and would talk to us in the manner of a friend, there is still that same feeling of reverence and awe when I talk to Him and read His Word that is diminished in the commonality of language that the modern versions are written in. For me reading the KJV is a little like getting dressed in tidy clothes after the working week for Sabath day and communion even when we celebrate it at home.
    Taking nothing away from those who prefer other versions or languages to read , I would have thought you would understand those who want to read Gods Word in the language that most clearly brings us to the foot of His Throne.
    I dont think it is advantageous to start the pointless discussion on what is different in one version to another as to go down that road only leads to acrimonious asertions and that is not what reading the Bible is, or should be all about.
    I asked about the KJV and that should be all there is to the discussion, after all if I asked about a spannish transaltion would you want me to have a chinese because you thought it was better.

    Bless you for your reply.
    Von Gruff

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    Love is Genesis 12: 3. Exodus 20: 1-17. Acts 4: 10-12

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    The KJV is a beautiful translation. Today many will steer folk away from it as the english of that day is archaic and often hard to understand due to todays limited scriptural vocabulary . For many folk it can be difficult/discouraging to make sense of. If you "cut yer teeth" on it then it is fine. I love it as I was led to the Lord by a Southern Baptist. I also used the NASB for many years and have settled on the NIV (nearly inspired version as some of my more theological buddies call it) for devotional reading. I think the poetical books read better in dynamic equivalence translations rather than word for word.I seem to camp there a lot for devotions. I also like the ESV very much as it is more word for word but seems to switch to dynamic equivalence as the passage requires. I don't like that capitol letters used for He when referring to God or Jesus have been done away with. It can be somewhat confusing when a dialogue between a mortal and Creator are both being refered to as "he" not "he" human and "He" God.....

    Here's my rub though...I don't like cross references, dual columns, triple columns, study notes, red letter editions, or even verse markers while doing devotions....none of this stuff is inspired and for an ADD guy is VERY distracting. We live in a day where verses are "cherry picked" to the point of heresy. So finding a bible that you just read is difficult. As biblical illiteracy has become endemic so has the profusion of study bibles (probably a good thing). But trying to find a bible that does not feel like a college course syllabus is getting difficult....lol. (thank heavens for thrift shops)

    Von Gruff, here is a link to a bible you might like. I have discovered that journaling bibles do not have all the other stuff. Look at the sample pages see what you think. There is still topic headings (which I do not care for as I think they can be leading...but still way down of my list of gripes...lol) This version does have red letter for quotes of Christ. One thing I like very much with journaling bibles is that the paper is much thicker so the words on the next page are not "bleeding" through as you are trying to read. Also very distracting for me personally. And if the Lord impresses something on you you have room to write. I quit writing in bibles years ago after I wore out my first bible.Lol...all those notes are there but not accessible.

    https://www.christianbook.com/kjv-jo...426?event=EBRN

    Hope this helps you in your search.
    Last edited by Smallshop; 03-02-2017 at 11:37 AM.
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    Von Grufff, I am sorry if I offended you, that certainly wasn't my point. And I did attempt to point you to one of the best sources of Bibles in the USA today. If they don't have it, it probably hasn't been made recently. Did you try them?

    www.christianbook.com - search line KJV Leather... came up with a bunch of results

    As to why ask questions about your preferred Bible translations, the simple answer is because most people haven't thought it through. I get asked regularly about Bibles, and most people don't have a reason. A great many people feel an allegiance to the KJV, but when they get it have trouble enjoying it. They want a new Bible, but have not thought through the issues. I don't know you, so wanted to make sure that before you drop 50 bucks on a Bible, you have thought it through. Do you pick your steel for your knives intentionally? If I asked for your recommendation on where to buy old rasps to make knives from, wouldn't you want to know why? You may even try to steer me to something different, or give me alternatives. That doesn't mean that your reasons are wrong, I just wanted to know what they were. Maybe even save you a few dollars if you hadn't thought about the alternatives.

    You make the comparison about Spanish & Chinese, legitimate question. Problem is I didn't recommend a Bible in a language you can't read, I recommended one that you can read easier. When a Spanish friend asks for a Bible, there are some Spanish translations that are better than others. (the equivalent of an old KJV vs. a NKJV) I am in the process of raising enough money to buy about 100 of them for Pastors in Nicaragua.

    Again, sorry for the offense. God Bless,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallshop View Post
    The KJV is a beautiful translation. I totally agree. It is my much prefered reading.

    Von Gruff, here is a link to a bible you might like. I have discovered that journaling bibles do not have all the other stuff. Look at the sample pages see what you think. There is still topic headings (which I do not care for as I think they can be leading...but still way down of my list of gripes...lol) This version does have red letter for quotes of Christ. One thing I like very much with journaling bibles is that the paper is much thicker so the words on the next page are not "bleeding" through as you are trying to read. Also very distracting for me personally. And if the Lord impresses something on you you have room to write. I quit writing in bibles years ago after I wore out my first bible.Lol...all those notes are there but not accessible.

    https://www.christianbook.com/kjv-jo...426?event=EBRN

    Hope this helps you in your search.
    Thanks Ted. Apart from the wide margins that is just what I am looking for and while I no longer write copious notes in my bibles although I do underline some passages when I am doing a particular study so being able to make a short note while keeping the text clear may be advantageous.
    The one thing I did like is the thicker paper as I find the very thin pages in my present (World published genuine leather) bible difficult to turn as it seems they dont like to seperate. I used to think that when I had read through it a couple of times it would get better but it remains slow to get my fingers to select a single page to turn.
    I will get the order underway but through a friend in the US so I can get a few other knifemaking needs in the same package and save shipping costs. The bible woud cost as much to ship from the supplier to NZ as the cost of the bible itself.

    Apreciate the heads-up on this particular printing.

    Garry.
    Von Gruff

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    Love is Genesis 12: 3. Exodus 20: 1-17. Acts 4: 10-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCustomKnives View Post
    That link goes to an error page Drew but thank you for the thought.
    Von Gruff

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    Love is Genesis 12: 3. Exodus 20: 1-17. Acts 4: 10-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Gruff View Post
    That link goes to an error page Drew but thank you for the thought.
    Strange; works fine for me.

    Try a search for "Bibles without references". The Bibles in the link are from the Trinitarian bible society.


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    Have done that Drew and got onto the site but while they say the Windsor is referenceless it does not say about the inclusion or otherwise of the multiple end papers that are so often a part of the printing now.
    I have ordered the one thata Ted linked so will see how that goes.

    Thank you all for the links and input.

    Garry.
    Von Gruff

    The ability to do comes with doing.

    Love is Genesis 12: 3. Exodus 20: 1-17. Acts 4: 10-12

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