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BossDog
01-29-2010, 07:42 AM
I love an auto. my EDC is nearly always a Protech or Microtech.

Let's see yours.

Let's finally crack this enigma and get decent pictures of the insides of auto's and assisted openers and teach every one how they work and how to make them...

Larry B.
01-29-2010, 08:33 AM
I have loved auto's since I was a child. I still do but don't trust them as an EDC unless they are a Double Action. Reason being I don't carry them besides the fact that they are illegal where I live is that they always fail. I have auto's by the best mfg's in the business and at one time or another the spring has broken.
I wish someone would make an Auto where the spring can hold up. Is it possible?

Wayne Coe
01-29-2010, 10:05 AM
Laws sure funny (not funny ha, ha, funny like who dreams these things up?) In Tennessee the knife law says that a knife with a blade not over 4" is not considered a weapon so is not an illegal carry knife. So I carry a fixed blade with a blade that is exactly 4" long. (see the top knife in this picture.) Switch blades and by extension gravety, assisted openers, etc. are illegal because they are so readly deployable, but my fixed blade is ok. I usually don't say anything about this because I don't want to tell them that they missed something.

Frstr8
01-29-2010, 10:15 AM
I have loved auto's since I was a child. I still do but don't trust them as an EDC unless they are a Double Action. Reason being I don't carry them besides the fact that they are illegal where I live is that they always fail. I have auto's by the best mfg's in the business and at one time or another the spring has broken.
I wish someone would make an Auto where the spring can hold up. Is it possible?

I carried a Protech Godson and / or a Microtech Scarab for years. Never had a miss fire or break. Not once. I recently got a Godfather in a trade and have carried it of and on. It has not miss fired or broke. What brands are you carrying that are breaking?

Larry B.
01-29-2010, 10:25 AM
I carried a Protech Godson and / or a Microtech Scarab for years. Never had a miss fire or break. Not once. I recently got a Godfather in a trade and have carried it of and on. It has not miss fired or broke. What brands are you carrying that are breaking?

You named it. I guess it all depends on how many times you open it as each time weakens the steel. I tend to play with them and open them often.

Frstr8
01-29-2010, 10:29 AM
You named it. I guess it all depends on how many times you open it as each time weakens the steel. I tend to play with them and open them often.

Maybe it's just luck of the draw?

Larry B.
01-29-2010, 10:40 AM
Maybe it's just luck of the draw?

It happened on 6 of them. I must say that the manufacture was very accommodating and changed the springs for me. I have no problem with the manufacturers as it is they nature of those kind of knives. My point to all this is that in an emergency I don't feel comfortable with an auto unless it is a DA.

mcahron
01-29-2010, 04:14 PM
Thank you Tracyurock1dancing dogbouncewow1:bud:

Bill DeShivs
02-01-2010, 02:10 AM
I have never had one of my springs break.
Wayne- Tenn. state law says that any knife OVER 4 inches is illegal to carry.
If anyone has questions about the guts of autos, I'll be happy to answer them.

David Wesner
02-01-2010, 07:08 AM
Let's finally crack this enigma and get decent pictures of the insides of auto's and assisted openers and teach every one how they work and how to make them...


OK Boss, I'm with ya 2thumbs

I've spent hours looking for detailed info & pics regarding auto & assisted auto mechanisms, all to no avail :rolleyes:
Excluding button locks, where schematics and info is everywhere, there seems to be very little info available.

I'm looking forward to (hopefully) examination and discussion of some more complex mechanisms :)


:cool: :cool:

Mark Behnke
02-01-2010, 09:24 AM
OK Boss, I'm with ya:D

RAGUEL3
02-01-2010, 01:37 PM
Bill DeShivs is your man,.. if it exists, hes probably rebuilt one or five of them.
As for pix of autos,rare,custom,insides,etc.. either he or I will have a shot of it.

Bill DeShivs
02-01-2010, 04:26 PM
Raguel-
Speaking of pix, do you happen to have pix of the engraved, MOP, gold plated AK47 auto I did for Dood?
BTW, guys-Raguel has a CD for sale with thousands of auto pictures!

RAGUEL3
02-01-2010, 04:34 PM
http://knifedogs.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5589&d=1265063515

Do I have pix,ppphhhht,lolol.

Above is a one off, customed auto known to collectors as a type "AK47" Made by Bill DeShivs , this one is engraved,gold plated,MOP scales, heat blued button n screws,etc.
and lives in the frozen north.

** Now take note , NO these were NEVER actually made from AK47 parts,.. the only thing several of us who have dissected these could ever even come CLOSE too was the spring, and even that wasnt correct to any variant of AK we could find.
But, they ARE hard to find, and make a nice addition to a collection as a complete oddity.

RAGUEL3
02-01-2010, 04:45 PM
Oh yeah, before we ever even get there, lets have the regular gentlemans agreement from all over autoknife forums folks,.. NEVER discuss country to country shipping methods, how to get around customs laws, etc.
Thats just a bad idea all around.
Yes the laws governing autos are draconian and silly as all heck. But as it stands, they are a terrificly fun item to collect,but frowned upon by the powers at the top.
Lets keep that in mind and not mess up a good thing :)

Bill DeShivs
02-02-2010, 02:47 AM
Pic didn't work.

RAGUEL3
02-02-2010, 03:06 AM
Try this one.

Bill DeShivs
02-02-2010, 12:41 PM
Thanks!

David Wesner
02-03-2010, 07:30 AM
-Raguel has a CD for sale with thousands of auto pictures!

Pics of just the knives or pics of the knives and their internal mechanisms ?
If so, I would like to hear more cool 1


Oh yeah, before we ever even get there, lets have the regular gentlemans agreement from all over autoknife forums folks,.. NEVER discuss country to country shipping methods, how to get around customs laws, etc.
Thats just a bad idea all around.
Yes the laws governing autos are draconian and silly as all heck. But as it stands, they are a terrificly fun item to collect,but frowned upon by the powers at the top.
Lets keep that in mind and not mess up a good thing :)

As my daughter would say ...... "I pinky promise" ;)


Try this one.

Now that's cool ! Is that your work Bill ?

Lets take it apart :D huh1



:unsure:

kunklec
02-03-2010, 05:42 PM
It is very interesting that auto knife springs break. Valve springs in an engine cycle about 12.5 times per second at 1500 rpms. THey tend to last over 100,000 miles. Not sure how many cycles that would be, depends on gearing. I doubt that many people can cyle their auto knives in one year to equal the cyles one valve spring gets in a day. Do you think that makers should be taking lessons from Detroit? A rebound spring in a pistol compresses to near max over 2,000 times before it shows much change. I am making some assisted openers with gun spring wire. Maybe these will last longer. My guess is that the knife spring manufacturers do not use the quality of materials that car and gun companies do.
Chip Kunkle

Larry B.
02-03-2010, 05:56 PM
I see one of the top auto companies in the business has a sub forum here. Maybe he can explain why after a while the spring starts to weaken and the knife opens without the authority it once had and then it fails altogether.
I have my own theories on this but I would like to hear the professional opinion.

Bill DeShivs
02-04-2010, 01:16 PM
Knife springs-especially coil springs, have to be necessarily small. The range of motion is quite large, making the coils work quite hard. Leaf springs are much better in this regard.
Springs "weaken" if stressed past their elastic limit.
Springs should not wear out. Properly made and designed springs don't "get weak" or "wear out." They will eventually work harden and break after much flexing, but this should not be an issue for many, many years.

alex shunnarah
02-04-2010, 08:42 PM
bill thats one nice knife that you did. il bet dood loved it.

Bill DeShivs
02-05-2010, 01:49 AM
Thanks, Alex. That one was fun.

Original
05-02-2010, 03:36 AM
Ok, this subject and study of automatic knives has intrigued me for a very long time,the chance to brainstorm with some of the great knife makers of our day is so exhilarating!!

My name is Dave Hakes for those who don't know me.

LarryG brings up a point about not trusting the automatic unless it is double action, because of the springs breaking? I believe a solution for this spring breakage problem is "to make an multiple spring knife" which could have "spring packs that are easy to r+r" and as an overkill backup, "the backstrap spring could also be employed" Three springs are better than one!
I own some auto's and have not had a problem with any of them, but, one has to clean, oil, and adjust their auto's once in a while. My EDC's are Benchmades, an 9130 stryker and the new 9051 AFO II, a big beefy auto that I recently picked up. Will try to get some pics posted of a few of mine, including a 15" open old italian switchblade, that I rebuilt, as it was found in the gravel parking lot of a truck stop, hardly anything left but the blade, now has Ironwood scales and doubles as a Club, lol..
I am tearing down the 9130 for maintenance and will take lots of pics of it.

Out The Front knives, have some ideas to improve strength,reliability and safety that I want to share with you all.
Boss Dog, you started this thread, where did you go? The way I see it, we need to figure out what pics we need that Raguel3 or Bill DeShivs may not have and ask for pics of those from forum members who may have some different models. I would like to proceed with an in depth study of auto's to eventually make them be all they can be, learn all we can and pass on that knowledge to all who want to know.
I will pull out my plans for an auto soon and see what you guys think.:running dog:

Original
05-02-2010, 05:36 PM
Hi Raguel, how much is your video? does it have lots of internal /guts pictures?

Bill DeShivs, I enjoyed your forum, it appears that you and I have a very similar background, jeweler, etc, would like to get to know you more.

I hope we can keep this thread going in the right direction, this is a rare opportunity for like minds to create some of the best auto knives made. All ideas are free for us, so jump in and lets get it on!! Input! Thanks, Dave.:D

The Tourist
05-02-2010, 07:09 PM
I have modern, coil drive autos, and even Mikovs, but that's not where my heart is. I Love Sicilian stilettos and picklock fish.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb231/TheTourist_bucket/DSC00494.jpg

Original
05-02-2010, 07:38 PM
Nice bunch ya have there, the large one I assume is a sicilian? It is like the 15" one I restored.
Do you have any pics of auto's opened up? We Need them posted if you do Tourist, thanks.

The Tourist
05-02-2010, 08:08 PM
Do you have any pics of auto's opened up? We Need them posted if you do Tourist, thanks.

Do you mean more autos opened up? Like this?

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb231/TheTourist_bucket/DSC00495.jpg

Original
05-02-2010, 09:16 PM
We are looking for pics of the internal mechanisims, OTF's and folder auto's. Another nice bunch of auto's you have there.

The Tourist
05-02-2010, 10:26 PM
We are looking for pics of the internal mechanisims, OTF's and folder auto's. Another nice bunch of auto's you have there.

Sorry for the confusion. I do have some numered OTFs, and depending on how much premium this new little scooter inhales, you might find them in our sales column!

Yikes, the good stuff is hitting three bucks per gallon!:eek:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb231/TheTourist_bucket/DSC00470.jpg

Original
05-03-2010, 12:00 AM
Hehe, dang scooter.. Can you take one of those OTF's apart and take some of your good photo's of it Tourist? Or is that a big no-no for collectors?

The Tourist
05-03-2010, 09:12 AM
If it was the "plain-jane variety I would do it in a heartbeat. The first 182 of these Excaliburs were numbered.

However, I'll check the video section at Pioneer. Josh used to have a tutorial on that same model, and he stripped one down to its socks!

Original
05-03-2010, 01:58 PM
Cool, thanks very much.

Sinza
05-26-2010, 11:02 AM
So.....nothing???? :confused:

No pictures?? No parts??? No schematics????

No single action OTF? No double action OTF? Coilspring? Button lock? AK47? ...nothing??

Hmmmmm..... bummer.:cool: Might have to do something about that.

RAGUEL3
05-26-2010, 11:51 AM
Welcome Sinza,.. hey, SOMEBODY, has to be the one to post it first,lol.

Sinza
05-26-2010, 12:05 PM
The coolest knife in my opinion.


Here's a few from my collection.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/SINZA%20KNIVES/DEC07-OTFSwitchblades.jpg

we'll take three different OTF knives

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/photo%20gallery%20other%20makers/opened.jpg

Open them up and take them apart.



The Top Auto taken apart.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/photo%20gallery%20other%20makers/Topautoapart.jpg
The Super Auto in pieces.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/photo%20gallery%20other%20makers/SuperAutoapart.jpg
The Harkins Triton opened up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/photo%20gallery%20other%20makers/tritonapart.jpg


All the Double Action Out-The-Front knives work the same, they are just designed and built a little different.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/photo%20gallery%20other%20makers/openedcolored2.jpg

Here's how it's made...
The blade is in a channel and slides freely from open position to closed.
The blade has a pin in the back end, this pin rides in a slot and keeps the blade from shooting out when the pin hit the end of the slot.
Above the blade is a motion bar. This motion bar has two lock tabs, one one each side on each end, a tab for the thumb switch, and a kicker spring.
The kicker spring has a tab attached on each end with the back end being a little longer. This spring is stretched accross the motion bar tightly.
On each side at each end is a locking tab/lever, seems like each knife does this part a little different, but it's all a side lock mech of some kind.

And here's how it works...
When the knife is closed the blade is locked by the back lock lever and the motion bar is in the back position with spring tight.
To open, move the button forward and the motion bar slides forward, streching the sping more and increasing tension.
Push the button far enough and the side lock tabs will slide against/over the back lock lever moving it into the open position releasing the blade.
The tabs on the spring are what kicks the blade open and closed.
The back spring tab kicks against the back of the blade opening the knife.
The blade is now locked open by the front lock lever and the spring is again streched.
To close, move the button back, this reverses the process.
The shorter front spring tab rides over the blade and kicks against the blade pin to close. Same function to open the knife as is to close.

The triton is really designed different. With no handle scale to remove, everything is attached to the upper handle piece. The side locks on most are now positioned above the blade. This knife is built SUPER strong!! Feels like it's biult like a gun.
I think the button has about a 10lbs pull. The difference between $40 knife and a $400 knife 8) I love my Triton :twisted:

Here's a pictue of a Pirana taken apart.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/SINZA%20KNIVES/4.jpg
Same parts just put together different. Looks like they have a double lock -two front/open lock bars and two back/closed lock bars. I just don't see what would be 'unlocking tabs' on the motion bar. I don't own one yet, but if I get one I will of course tear it apart and check it out.

It's a great design, one of the best. Unfortunately, I have looked and nobody in the switchblade community has any info on who designed it or when. We don't know the first maker or the first knife. Seems like it might have been in the 1950's. I've found it difficult to research foreign patents.

What I like best, other than the fact that it's just the coolest thing to see a blade pop back and forth, it's the fact that every OTF knife I have is built different, sometimes very different. And that's great! No matter how you put it together it should work because it's a simple design. Sure, building one from scratch would take a bit of trial and error getting everything to slide right and getting the spring tension correct. But I have tiny little keychain OTF knifes. If they can take the design and make it crappy out of plastic 2 inches long and make it work I would think any size-any materials would work. It's just a matter of a good design, but the basic principle is genius! I think a forearm weapon could be built with this design modified a bit.

Make a blade slide and kick it back and forth with locks...simple.

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More pictures of the insides of Out-The-Front Automatic Knives!!!

Makora:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/xiphoids/makoraguts1.jpg

Scarab:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/xiphoids/mtscarabguts.jpg

UT6/UTX70:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/xiphoids/mtutx70apart1.jpg

UT7 (note: same as UT6 except the blade is removable):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/xiphoids/MTUT7Guts.jpg

Size comparison. From left: Piranha Excalibur, DKW Sandshark, Infidel, ProTech Godfather.(note:Godfather is not OTF but side opening)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel2setsandpropirahna008.jpg

The Infidel
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel008.jpg

Opening the Infidel. Held together with 12 torque screws, 6 on each side.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel009.jpg
All hardware is held in each half. Sears in bottom half (belt clip side) *pictured on left*. Springs and firing catch housed in top half (button side) *pictured right*.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel010.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel011.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel012.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel014.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel019.jpg

Complete breakdown
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel2setsandpropirahna036.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel2setsandpropirahna038.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel2setsandpropirahna039.jpg

Closer look at the very thin sears, (barely 1 mm thick), and the 6 leaf springs that hold the sears out to lock the blade, each are less then a 1/2 mm thick.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel2setsandpropirahna037.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/infidel2setsandpropirahna040.jpg

Credit to this one goes to nameless over at JD

DKW Sandshark and Piranha Excalibur. Is there a bit of Sandshark engineered in the Excalibur?

I have read rumors about this, more than a few times, so I decided to take a closer look.

The knives do seem strangely similar in appearance but what about the blood & guts? Here are some pictures of both, you make your own decisions. I will say this much, I found a new respect for the Piranha. It may not be as tough as the Shark, but as far as OTF's go, it is very impressive.



Both side by side before opening
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/SharkPiranha001.jpg

Opened, Shark is held together with a very nice 11 screw set up (4 on one side, 7 on the other) The Piranha has 6, all on one side.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/OpenShrkPrhna.jpg

Both have a very sturdy blade rail channel. Sandshark has three rail channels set inside the handle/housing(1 large center, 2 smaller on each side). Excalibur has one channel (1 large center). Shark has 13 blade to frame contact points (4 "H" blade points, 3 main blade rail pin points, *center pin goes through the blade contacting opposite side making 1 more contact point*, 2 smaller blade rail/adjuster screw contact pins, 3 frame to blade adjuster screws). Excalibur has 5 contact points (4 "H" blade points, 1 blade rail pin)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/OpenSPClseUp6.jpg

Note both stop bars (seen as long horizontal silver pins or bars, near the top of housings), the Excalibur's stop bar (right) is set deeper in the frame ( a nice method to hold the blade with out using extra pins). The Shark's stop bar (left) is set at the very top of the frame, blade is also held very tight because of the extra blade rail pins (3 large main, 2 smaller ) and then the over kill of 3 more adjuster screws (seen in picture as the 3 small silver spots at the top of the Sharks frame Left)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/knives/SharkPiranhaxxxx.png

Closer look. Note the "notch" cut at the bottom of the Excalibur's blade (right), and also the "hole" in the blade. These are the contact spots for the firing catch. The Hole is where one of the two firing catches contact the blade, allowing the blade to fire in. The "notch" position fires the blade out. The Sandshark uses the number 2 pin for this same DA (double action) function.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/OpenSPClseUp.jpg

Close look at the Sharks blade rail pins, 5 in all. The First pin (closest to tip of blade) is also used as the front stop pin, The 3 pin is also used as the rear stop pin, Middle or 2 pin is also used as the DA firing pin. Another very nice SandShark blade feature, is the two, much smaller, round blade pins that can just be seen in the picture as two shiny spots left & right of the 2 pin. These two smaller rounded balls or pins are set in the blade and travel down the two small rail channels, seen on either side of the large center main channel. This is where, two of the three frame adjuster screws, make contact when the Sharks blade is in the "out" position.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/OpnBladeShrkPinNice.jpg

Sharks center blade rail pin, Note how it extends to the other side of blade. The Excalibur uses one main blade pin, but it is deep and because of the way the blade is set a little deeper when locked out, it still holds strong & tight.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/OpenShrkBldCloseUp.jpg

Side by side of the firing mechanisms, both are almost identical. The only real difference is the Shark being larger. Both have a large center type spring (forward and rear brass blade firing catch) held together with 6 screws sandwiched between two pieces of T-6 aluminum. The Piranha may even have a very small lead here because of the over sized quad blade lever locks (sears) that are held in place with center pins that go into the frame. The Sharks lock levers are half the size and are held in place with a bonding agent, very strong, but I would have liked to have seen a through pin (as seen in Excalibur), instead of the bonding agent holding the Sharks sear levers. It almost seems that the Piranha was the next generation on this one, single, issue. If there is any link between Shark and Piranha, this is where it seems likely, if at all. (seen in picture as the 4 metal bars at each corner, just sticking up) Piranha on left: Sandshark on right.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/FiringMchShkPrh.jpg

The Piranhas lock levers (sears) have a leaf spring to hold the levers at the ready. One leaf spring on each side
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/OpenPrhnaSprg.jpg

Sharks levers, held at the ready with 4 coil springs.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/FirgMechCloseUp2.jpg

Complete break down of firing mechanism (Excalibur). Sandshark break-down & parts are basically the same, but in no way interchangeable. These pictures are just to give you a complete opened view of the closed firing mechanisms shown above.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/ExcaliburfiringMech-7.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/ExcaliburfiringMech-9.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/ExcaliburfiringMech-10.jpg

How the sears hold the blade inside, ready to fire. Pushing the button forward drops the sears allowing the blade to fire forward. The center notch at the back of the blade is where the center spring catch engages the blade.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/ExcaliburfiringMech-5.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/ExcaliburfiringMech-4.jpg

Inside view of blade in the locked-out position. The sears pop-up behind the blade, locking it in the out position.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/namelless/ExcaliburfiringMech-2.jpg

Video link, No sound: Assembly of the firing mech. Click on picture
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Bottom line, the Piranha is a good OTF but nothing compares to the DKW Sandshark for shear strength, power, and cost. It fires like a Tank and just as strong, locks out to rival a fix blade.

This Video, all though old, says it all:

http://videoknife.com/sand/sand.wmv


I guess this would fall under 'throwing the dog a bone'....

I'll post more when I get a chance, I have a ton on my forum.

Sinza
05-26-2010, 12:10 PM
Single Action Out-The Front Automatic Knives

Here's a few pictures of some single action OTF's.
Micotech CFO II
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/mtcfoIIguts.jpg

Halo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/haloguts1.jpg

Micortech CT III
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/sinza/mtctIIIguts.jpg

Here dogs...chew on that for a while!:cool:

RAGUEL3
05-26-2010, 12:16 PM
Excellent work bud. Youve been hustlin since we last spoke.
Nice work on your own forum as well.

dvc325
05-26-2010, 02:01 PM
Super pics thanks !

BossDog
05-26-2010, 10:17 PM
Sinza, excellent contribution. Thanks for the effort.
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knifenut48
05-27-2010, 12:56 AM
Thanks for showing us the insides of knives we only imagined tearing apart. Stuff would have went every where if it were me doing that. Thanks for sharing.