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Raymond Richard
11-13-2009, 03:31 PM
Back in 2007 I was asked to do the forging demonstration at the Montana Show. Shortly after I got to the show I ran into Chuck Bybee and he handed me a 1 foot X 1 inch bar of L-6 and said you have something to forge during the demo. Anyway I kind of smilled at Chuck and said that's more than I want to attempt in a 1 hour demo. He said keep the bar anyway so its been setting on one of my benches for a good two years now until Eli showed up. The night after Eli got to forge some 3/4" rebar I was telling him how much more difficult other steels would be especially when there around the 1" size. I remembered this bar and asked Eli if he'd like to try some and he said yes. I cut off a 3" piece and had Eli do his thing. I then took over for a short period and we had a bar that was now 6" X 3/8" X 1". Last night I had the men's Bible study group over on a field trip over to Ray's man cave. I put on a forging demo for them and used a little less than half of the 6" bar that Eli and I forged the night before. I forged about an hour on it this morning and here are the results.

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1754.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1755.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1756.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1757.JPG

Robert Mayo
11-13-2009, 03:42 PM
Thats some fine tuned forging Ray and it will be one tough knife.

Bob

stabber
11-13-2009, 03:43 PM
Very nice Ray, lookin good. In L6 will be a great user2thumbs

Stuart Willis
11-13-2009, 04:23 PM
Another great knife about to be born.

Raymond Richard
11-13-2009, 08:54 PM
I thought this blade looked pretty lonely so I went ahead and forged the left over piece of L-6. The left over piece was a good 1/4" longer than the first piece so this blade is a good inch longer than the first. The first picture shows the preform. The next photo shows the blade after the bevels were forged.

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1758.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1760.JPG

Eli Gautreaux
11-13-2009, 09:26 PM
Ray, have you ever done a his and hers matching set? You might could sell it to someone for a Chrismas present. Just be sure to tell them that I helped :)

Raymond Richard
11-19-2009, 04:30 PM
Ray, have you ever done a his and hers matching set? You might could sell it to someone for a Chrismas present. Just be sure to tell them that I helped :)

Maybe I should name the knives Eli and Mary. How's that? :D

I got those two blades heat treated and ground. Now there waiting there turn to become knives with all the others.

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1777.JPG

I've had this extra ugly piece of old saw steel kicking around my shop for several years now. I decided to see if I could turn it into a form that I could actually use. This first picture is what I started with.
http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1775.JPG

This picture was taken about a half hour later. Its now in bar form. Its about
7/8" wide now, 3/16" thick, and close to 8" long. To long and skinny for one blade so I'll forge two small blades out of it.
http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1776.JPG
Now I know your wondering why the heck use such and ugly piece of steel. These next two photo's should explain why.

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/PDRM0668.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/PDRM0671.JPG

Les George
11-19-2009, 04:49 PM
That is incredible! wow....

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/PDRM0671.JPG

Allen Newberry
11-19-2009, 08:31 PM
ooooooooohhhh pretty..........

Denny Eller
11-19-2009, 08:59 PM
Sir, I never tire of looking at your knives. They are wonderful.

Peter Killgore
11-19-2009, 10:32 PM
bouncewow1 Is that Damascus?

Raymond Richard
11-20-2009, 12:07 AM
bouncewow1 Is that Damascus?

Peter, Its not damascus. It could be shear steel. I do know that old circular saw blade is most likely over 100 years old. I found it over 20 years ago in a load of sand fill on a construction site I was working on in Oregon City.

Dusty One
11-20-2009, 05:44 AM
Another piece of Art...She's a Beauty for sure....

John Barker
11-20-2009, 08:01 AM
That is a beautiful knife! Wow.
-John

stabber
11-20-2009, 08:42 AM
Wow! That saw blade steel is incredible. Bet you wish you had 40 full blades!;)

Eli Gautreaux
11-20-2009, 11:32 AM
Maybe I should name the knives Eli and Mary. How's that? :D




Well, why wait for Christmas, we have an anniversary before that 2thumbs


Those look good Ray!

Raymond Richard
11-20-2009, 12:25 PM
I've got one blade forged. Ended up with around a 3 1/2" blade plus a tang. The bar I had forged turned out to be 7" long instead of 8" from guessing. I came in to grab my camera.

BTW the picture of the knife I used as an example of the steel was made in 2003.

Eli, Have the Pilgrims returned?

John M Cohea
11-20-2009, 06:12 PM
Ray you are a true master with a hammer!

Raymond Richard
11-22-2009, 08:30 PM
I cut the little bar from the saw steel in half and forged two small blades from it.

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1779.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1781.JPG

These blades are done now. There's a few small inclusions in the finished blades. I decided to leave a few of them so I would have a blade when I was done. The blades were hand rubbed down to 500 grit and then soaked in room temp vinegar for roughly an hour and a half. Both blades are around 3 1/2" long.
http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1797.JPG

Eli Gautreaux
11-22-2009, 09:06 PM
Another "his and hers" set :D

that steel sure finishes out nice Ray!

John T Wylie Jr.
11-22-2009, 09:08 PM
Nicely done , that is the purfect size user.

Andy Garrett
11-23-2009, 12:15 AM
Stunning pattern! How is it that an old chunk of saw steel could look so much like traditional wootz?

Raymond Richard
11-23-2009, 07:34 PM
Stunning pattern! How is it that an old chunk of saw steel could look so much like traditional wootz?

Andy, There's a real good chance that the old saw steel is shear steel. That would help explain the pattern in the steel.

I took a better close up of the steel. The blade on the right got the better light. Pretty interesting steel. I'm glad I held onto this last piece of steel and got a couple blades out of it.

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1804.JPG

Steven Kelly
11-24-2009, 07:15 AM
Hey Ray,

Could you put a nice piece of Sambar on that smaller one and then you could give it to me for Christmas!!!! :) :)

Mike Barton
11-24-2009, 09:43 AM
Hey Ray,

Could you put a nice piece of Sambar on that smaller one and then you could give it to me for Christmas!!!! :) :)

Ray,

Put whatever you want on either blade, send it my way and I'll have an incredible Christmas!!:D

Raymond Richard
11-24-2009, 10:01 AM
Why don't both you guys come out to my shop and turn all the finished blades I have on hand into knives so I can sell them to buy a round trip ticket to Tokyo. :D

Mike Barton
11-24-2009, 10:27 AM
Why don't both you guys come out to my shop and turn all the finished blades I have on hand into knives so I can sell them to buy a round trip ticket to Tokyo. :D

How you gonna get to Tokyo when you get done paying for the two round trip tickets for us to come out and finish those knives? :D

Raymond Richard
11-29-2009, 11:05 PM
I probably should have spent some time working on a knife or two but I felt like forging. I started out with a 2" by roughly 4" piece of drag saw steel with two teeth intact. The two teeth are now part of the tang. 1/8" steel is almost to thin to forge unless your just hammering on a bevel and a point. I went and hammered the width back into itself so now the steel is about 1" X 3/16" X 4" not counting the tang.

Here's the new bar of steel. The piece of saw steel next to it is similar to what I started with.
http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1821.JPG

Here's the preform forged form the new bar.
http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1822.JPG

Here's the forged blade.
http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1825.JPG

JAWilliams
11-29-2009, 11:55 PM
Ray that is some beautiful work.

Stew
11-30-2009, 04:49 AM
Hi Raymond.

I really like the style of your work and your posts are great viewing because of the progress shots you put up. It's great learning material for me. Thanks!

Peter Killgore
11-30-2009, 09:39 PM
Good looking blade. Are you wet forging in that last picture?

Raymond Richard
11-30-2009, 09:41 PM
Hi Raymond.

I really like the style of your work and your posts are great viewing because of the progress shots you put up. It's great learning material for me. Thanks!

Stew, That's the main I do these post. Glad your able to learn something here!

Raymond Richard
11-30-2009, 09:43 PM
Good looking blade. Are you wet forging in that last picture?

Peter, I try and remember to forge wet the last few heats. It does seem to clean up the steel a little.

I went ahead and ground the blade and heat treated it. Its now rubbed down to 500 grit. I also took a picture of one of the drag saw blades so folks would know what one looked like.

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1827.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1829.JPG

Eli Gautreaux
12-01-2009, 09:14 PM
You are running out of saw blade Ray :D

Raymond Richard
12-01-2009, 09:58 PM
You are running out of saw blade Ray :D

Eli, I've got enough saw steel to make a complete casket and I still won't use whats left. I should have given you the one in the photo. :D

Eli Gautreaux
12-02-2009, 06:49 AM
Eli, I've got enough saw steel to make a complete casket and I still won't use whats left. I should have given you the one in the photo. :D


Next time 2thumbs

BDK
12-02-2009, 09:49 AM
how about a better picture of those gunstock warclubs hanging on the wall???? great job Ray thanks .

Raymond Richard
12-02-2009, 10:17 AM
how about a better picture of those gunstock warclubs hanging on the wall???? great job Ray thanks .


Boo, you just need to know where to look: http://knifedogs.com/showthread.php?t=2478