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Raymond Richard
10-28-2009, 09:22 AM
Subject: Vietnam Vet's Info.

Here are some statistics you may enjoy reading.......

From the Vietnam Veterans Association:

In case you Vietnam Veterans haven't been paying attention these past few decades after you returned from Vietnam, the clock has been ticking.

The following are some statistics that are at once depressing yet, in a larger sense, should give some a sense of pride.
"Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam; less than 850,000 are
estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's
age approximated to be 54 years old."

So, if you're alive and reading this, how does it feel to be among the
last 1/3rd of all the U.S. Vets who served in Vietnam? Don't know about
you, but feels a little strange considering this is the kind of information we are used to reading about WWII and Korean War vets.

So the last 14 years we have been dying at a faster rate then most. Too fast, only a few will survive by 2015...if any.

Every day, 390 Veitnam Veterans die. So in 2190 days from today you will be lucky to be alive.

These statistics were taken from a variety of sources to include: The VFW
Magazine, the Public Information Office, and the HQ CP Forward Observer -
1st Recon, April 12, 1997.

STATISTICS FOR IN-COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS:

A total of 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

A total of 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964-March 28,1973).

A total of 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam, this number represents 9.7% of their generation.

A total of 3,403,100 (Including 514,330 offshore) personnel served in the broader Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters).

A total of 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1,1965 - March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.

Of the 2.6 million, between 1M and 1.6 M (40-60%) either fought in
combat, or provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed
to enemy attack.

7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam.

Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1968).

CASUALTIES:
The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He was with the
509th Radio Research Station. Davis Station in Saigon was named for him.

Hostile deaths: 47,378
Non-hostile deaths: 10,800

Total: 58,202 (Includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez
casualties). Men who have subsequntly died of wounds account for the
changing total.

8 nurses died -- 1 was KIA..
61% of the men killed were 21 or younger..11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old.

Of those 47,378 hostile deaths in Vietnam:
29,869 were single
17,509 were married.
Average age: 23.1 years
Enlisted Personnel: 30,274.
Officers: 6,598 28.43
Warrant Officers: ,2,724
E1(Private): 12,520.34
11B (Infantry, Rifleman) MOS: 18,465

Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.

The oldest man killed was 62 years old.

Highest State death rate: West Virginia - 84.1% (national average 58.9%
for every 100,000 males in 1970).

Wounded: 303,704
153,329 hospitalized
150,375 injured requiring no hospital care.

Severely disabled: 75,000,
23,204: 100% disabled;
5,283 lost or severely impared limbs;
1,081 sustained multiple amputations.

Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher
than in WWII and 70% higher than Korea. (Expanded use of land mines)

Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in
WWII.
AT THE END OF THE WAR
58,338 - Missing in Action
POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity)

As of January 15, 2004, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for
from the Vietnam War.

DRAFTEES VS.. VOLUNTEERS:
25% (648,500) of total force in country were draftees.
66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII
Draftees accounted for 30% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.
Reservists: 5,977
National Guard: 6,140 served: 101 died.

Total draftees (1965 - 1973): 1,728,344.
Army Draft: 1,685,711
Marine Corps Draft: 42,633
Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.

RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND:
88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian
10.6% (275,000) were black
1% belonged to other races.

Killed in Action
86% Caucations
12% (7,241) were black;
2% Hispanic
1% belonged to other races.

70% of enlisted men killed were of North-west European descent.
14.6% (1,530) of non-combat death were among blacks.
34% of blacks who enlisted, volunteered for the combat arms.

Overall blacks suffered 12% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the
percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.

Religion of Dead: Protastant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none --

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS:

Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.

Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age
group by more than 18 percent.

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from the working class
75% had family incomes above the poverty level
50% were from middle income backgrounds.

Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or
technical occupations.

EDUCATION
79% of the men who served HAD a High School education or higher.
63% of Korean War vets
45% of WWII vets had completed High School

DEATH BY REGION
South -- 31%
West --29.9%
Midwest -- 28.4%
Northeast -- 23.5%.

DRUG USAGE & CRIME:
There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and
non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group. (Source: Veterans
Administration Study, 1995/National Association of Chiefs of Police)

Vietnam Veterans are far less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one
percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.

85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.
82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost
because of lack of political will.
75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.

HONORABLE SERVICE:
97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.
91% of actual Vietnam War veterans
90% of those who saw combat say they were proud serve their country.
74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.
87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem..

INTERESTING CENSUS STATISTICS

THOSE TO CLAIM TO HAVE "Been There": (Census Figures)
1,703,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August,1995
9,492,958 Falsely claim to to have served Vietnam (Census Stats., 2000)

1995 Federal Census
Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to
believe, losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00.

Vietnam Veterans are dying at a rate of 390 per day.

During the most recent Federal Census (yr. 2000), the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,227. (This means that FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE Vietnan vets are not.)

The Department of Defense Vietnam War Service Index officially provided by The War Library originally reported that 2,709,918 U.S. military personnel as having served in-country (Corrections and confirmations to this erred index resulted in the addition of 358 U.S. military personnel confirmed to have served in Vietnam but not originally listed by the Department of Defense. All names are currently on file and accessible day and night.)

Isolated atrocities committed by American Soldiers produced torrents of
outrage from anti-war critics and the news media while Communist
atrocities were so common that they received hardly any media mention at all. The United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy.
Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences
while Communists who did so received commendations.

From 1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725
Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on
leaders at the villige level and on anyone who improved the lives of the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and school teachers.
( Nixon Presidential Papers)

stabber
10-28-2009, 10:00 AM
May God Bless them all!!

Peter Killgore
10-28-2009, 07:42 PM
May God bless them, but also, may we do what we can to bless them also for they have truly blessed us with their willingness to defend and protect our country. My hat is off to all of you who have served our country. Thank you for preserving freedom in our great nation.

Stuart Willis
10-28-2009, 07:46 PM
Thank you all and God Bless.

Bill Coye
10-28-2009, 10:23 PM
As a kid during the late 60's and early 70's I'd stand on street corners in Syracuse NY and listen to the guys just coming home. I was amazed at the stories...listening to the helicopter crew chiefs rant as if he was still yelling into the radio..."we would look at their sandles...we could tell if they weren't from around our base..."

...and on the 13" black and white Zenith, Star Trek at 5:00 and Walter Cronkite and Roger Mudd at 6:00 - MIA and KIA numbers posted every night.
Guys from the neighborhood that used to watch my little brother and I went off - and came home in wheel chairs or not at all...

...the peace marches at Syracuse University near where I lived - slipping and falling on Walnut street hill because there was so much wax from all of the candles on the road...tie-dye, tear gas, bull horns chanting. I was probably 8 or 9 years old around that time.

You guys have my utmost respect. Always have.

I tell every Vietnam vet I meet one thing:

Welcome home.

May God bless you all.

Regards,

Bill

Denny Eller
10-29-2009, 02:34 PM
Ray, those are some amazing statistics. I've never seen them before. Thank you for posting them.


Bill, thank you. All gave some - some gave all.

Raymond Richard
10-29-2009, 05:34 PM
Thanks for the welcome home!

I'm reflecting back to just before I left country. I find myself in a hospital bed with some major infection. They thought I had malaria but they couldn't find it in my blood so they just treated me with antibiotics. In order to leave the field back then your temp had to reach 105 degrees. Anything less you were just sick and stayed out in the bush. Anyway after about a week in the hospital they decided I was cured and they sent out to the chopper pad and then off to my unit. They got me to the chopper pad and I just started to do what the army had trained me to do, so I just waited. While I was busy waiting I could feel the fever starting to return. Thoughts of what the heck are you doing on the chopper pad kept crossing my mind. Finally I'd waited enough and no birds were flying so I flagged down a jeep and had the driver take me back to 4th Med. I was probably gone from there a max of 3 hours and I had to be readmitted all over again. I end up back in the same ward I'd just left but now I had a thermometer in my mouth. I'm looking at it and its already reading 105. By this time I'm so pissed off I think I'm going to explode. They come by my bed and see that I've darn near pegged the thermometer. Several others come by and lift me out of my bed and place me on a coat and then dump ice cubes and alcohol all over me to break the fever. I've got to admit the shock of the ice and alcohol felt so good! I ended up spending 2 or 3 weeks more in the hospital till I found myself out on the chopper pad again. Now I only had 3 weeks left to go in my army career. The only problem now was I had to survive one last week in the bush.

Thoughts of actually going home were more than just a far off dream. Just a few more days. How wonderful things would be when I got home! What a disappointment to say the least. You pretty much felt like you had to sneak home. Some of the friends you once had had turned against you because you went and served your country. Jane Fonda was doing her tricks. This country had really gotten strange. Part of it could have been from the malaria I had come down with two weeks after I got home to. Back in the hospital again for almost a month but at least this time I had no chopper pad to go to.

Now if I had a choice of going or not. I would not change a thing.

JAWilliams
10-29-2009, 10:10 PM
I can still remember seeing our boys come home in coffins on TV. Thanks to all Vets for what you have done for all of us here at home.

Eli Gautreaux
10-30-2009, 07:03 AM
Thanks for the welcome home!
...
Now if I had a choice of going or not. I would not change a thing.


That says a lot.

Thank you Ray, and all who served.

Dusty One
11-11-2009, 06:48 AM
Ray,
Thanks for the stats and Happy Veterans Day..................

Denny Eller
11-11-2009, 07:19 AM
May God Bless You, Ray. Spending a day with you has just been added to my Bucket List.

Bruce Bump
11-11-2009, 11:02 PM
Thank You Raymond for serving. We are all better off because of You and others that served.