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Bill Coye
10-17-2009, 05:04 PM
A great time today at Mr. Mike Miller's shop. Mike is the president of the KGA and did a hollow grinding demo and described different equipment in his shop (much of which he built himself). Mr. Ray Kirk broke out the forge and had a demonstration of his own. He got a few folks involved which was great to watch. A couple of Oklahoma knifemaking suppliers were there to make sure we went home with some new handle material.

Good food, good folks, sunshine, great subject matter. What more could you ask for on a Saturday afternoon? A big Thank You to Mike for his hospitality!

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stabber
10-17-2009, 05:09 PM
Nice pics Bill!! Lotta folks there. Bet ya'll had a good time!!2thumbs

Bill Coye
10-17-2009, 05:12 PM
Yeah, it was really great. Being the total noob that I am, it was nice to get to shake hands with some of the people I've heard about.

BC

mike miller
10-17-2009, 06:23 PM
We had a good time . I have several pieces of equipment you won't see in others shops and as Bill said what beautiful weather. Bill brought his equipment down to show us how to stone wash a blade. A friend and my son smoked chicken quarters and pork chops. The poor table that held the deserts barely made it. It was a wonder half of us was not asleep after the meal. Ray woke us all up hammering out an intergeral. The best part of the afternoon was Ray helping Ben Patterson( age 15) and Luke Killiam ( age 14 ) make their first forged blades. Ben did an intergeral and Luke did blacksmith self handled blade. Both did very well. I heat treated Ben's blade and the 1095 blade I did the hollow grind demo to give Ben something to work on. Ben also won a BIG chunk of black walnut in our iron-in-the-hat for finish his knives. Enjoyable day all around. Mike

SDS
10-17-2009, 07:38 PM
Looks like a great turnout and a great time. Having been to a couple of these I KNOW you ate well. Wish I could have made it.

SDS

Bill Coye
10-17-2009, 07:40 PM
Looks like a great turnout and a great time. Having been to a couple of these I KNOW you ate well. Wish I could have made it.

SDS

I looked for you - maybe in November at the Tulsa show?

I'll be at table C6.

Aloha.

RayKirk
10-17-2009, 09:27 PM
It was indeed a very nice day and I enjoyed it, especially the pecan pie. :)
That is the great thing about shop tours, we get to visit other shops to see how they do it and always come away with ideas of how to improve our own.
Mike and I appreciate all that attended and enjoyed it. Some times, this is the only time we really get to visit each other as when we go to show, it is hard to do since we stay at our tables most of the time explaining our techniques and selling a few knives.
I had a pleasant surprise when I got home, David Curtiss had called and we worked out the final details on some of my seat belt cutters. Things are looking good.
Thanks to Bill Coye for posting the pics and we all enjoyed his stone washing demo.

Bill Coye
10-17-2009, 09:57 PM
Thanks again to Ray and Mike for a fine day!

BC

Chris Martin
10-18-2009, 07:17 AM
Man, looks like a good time Bill.

Grinders/Forge/BBQ/good ol Okies....how did I miss this one.....:eek:

Thanks for sharing bud2thumbs

C

Bill Coye
10-18-2009, 07:36 AM
Man, looks like a good time Bill.

Grinders/Forge/BBQ/good ol Okies....how did I miss this one.....:eek:

Thanks for sharing bud2thumbs

C

The next one will be in the spring at different location. A lot of information right there at your fingertips...

BC

mike miller
10-18-2009, 07:44 AM
C.Martin our spring shop tour will be at Daniel Fulks in Wagoner, Oklahoma. Not too bad a trip for you from Joplin. Come on down. We will post date and time on our website www.theknifegroup.com

stabber
10-18-2009, 07:46 AM
Putz!!:D


good ol Okies....how did I miss this one.....:eek:



C

Bill Coye
10-18-2009, 07:50 AM
Putz!!:D

I'm tryin' Ricky, I'm tryin'.

BC

Chris Martin
10-18-2009, 07:56 AM
Thanks Mike2thumbs I will be there for the next tour.

Stabber.....always the smart arse:D

Bill....I know bro....lol I will be there soon buddyscooter 1


C.Martin our spring shop tour will be at Daniel Fulks in Wagoner, Oklahoma. Not too bad a trip for you from Joplin. Come on down. We will post date and time on our website www.theknifegroup.com

mike miller
10-18-2009, 08:12 AM
Sorry 45 my bad got people mixed up yeah Ponca City- I lived in Tonkawa for 10 years from late 70's

Chris Martin
10-18-2009, 08:21 AM
No worries Mike. I think you had James in mind....He is up in Joplin....think we can convince him to make it as well2thumbs I might even half way know what I am doing by that time. Once I get on over to Bill's I am sure he will show me whats up:D

So do we bring our own desired steel/belts/handle material etc? I will make sure to set some back if so. If not....will still be cool hanging with you guys/gals at the next tour!


Sorry 45 my bad got people mixed up yeah Ponca City- I lived in Tonkawa for 10 years from late 70's

mike miller
10-18-2009, 09:09 AM
What we try to do is set up three demos. Ray always brings his forging trailer with gas forge,anvils, and equipment to show someone how. Different demos we have shown at our shop tours are: Bill with stone wash- I did hollow grind and at another tapered tang-Ray intergal (both fulltang and integeral) Brian Tomberlin how to bring out your hammons, Jerry McClure how to hand finish a blade,Jerald Nickles and Dan Burke how to set up slip joints, Larry Parsons leather sheath work, Ray also at his shop did a welding demo with damascus and his air hammer and roller mill, Lee Ferguson did his canister for stabilizing wood, Linda Ferguson did a schrimshaw demo, Gary Crowder showed his he cuts nail nicks on his surface grinder and his set up for the fancy file work on his folders. As you can tell we have a very diverse group and everyone freely demonstrates to share their knowledge . I am extremely proud to be a member of this group and also President of the Association. We just have fun.

Bill Coye
10-18-2009, 09:57 AM
No worries Mike. I think you had James in mind....He is up in Joplin....think we can convince him to make it as well2thumbs I might even half way know what I am doing by that time. Once I get on over to Bill's I am sure he will show me whats up:D

So do we bring our own desired steel/belts/handle material etc? I will make sure to set some back if so. If not....will still be cool hanging with you guys/gals at the next tour!

Chris, all of your hands-on stuff will be here in the shop. The individual demonstrations by knifemakers are FYI only. With 30-40 people there we'd never get anything done!

I met a guy at Mikes from Wagoner who had made a knife but didn't have a sheath for it. He told me he wanted to make a kydex sheath but didn't know how.
A few hours later we were in my shop and he wound up doing a really nice job for his first one!

BC

Bill Coye
10-18-2009, 11:26 AM
Maybe Ray Kirk and Mike Miller will post some photographs of their work for us to enjoy (hint hint) :)

cool 1

BC

stabber
10-18-2009, 12:01 PM
Yea! +1:bud:
Maybe Ray Kirk and Mike Miller will post some photographs of their work for us to enjoy (hint hint) :)

cool 1

BC

calharkins
10-18-2009, 12:25 PM
The shop tour was really great. I brought one of my brothers with me and I think he was bit by the knife bug. We got to meet new folks and old friends. The food was great and plenty of it. The demonstrations were excellent.

I want to thank Mike, Ray, Bill, and all the others that worked to make this shop tour happen. "They done good!!".

I look forward to the next one.

RayKirk
10-18-2009, 01:05 PM
Cal,
It was good to get to visit with all of you again.
As most of you know, I really enjoy making the hidden tang integrals, they just seem to be simple, strong, and less maintenance on them. A couple of the examples from the small to the large are in the pics. Since it is very easy to change the blade shape and design, the handle seems to be the most comfortable for what ever blade shape is made.
I hope you like them.
Ray Kirk

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Chris Martin
10-18-2009, 01:09 PM
Mike,

You guys have it all going on with the shop tour. I need to get my butt down to the next one. I bet I learn a lot just by watching your guys do what you do best!!

Bill Coye
10-18-2009, 01:15 PM
Ray, what are the specs on those knives?


BC

RayKirk
10-18-2009, 01:45 PM
Forged from a round bar of 52100 or 5160 with stabilized maple burl for handle material. The round hidden tang is pinned and epoxied. Flats and shoulders are left as is from forging, blades hollow ground on 10" wheel, back grind the top of the blade to reduce a bit more weight and make easier for penetration. After the knives are completed and sharpened, the handle is taped with electrical tape and the metal is sand blasted. After that, a coat of tool black is applies, oiled down good and resharpened on hard Arkansas stone.
Wood to metal contact is restricted to the small area of the ricasso to retard any moisture to the steel and no bump from shrinking and swelling. There is little of this by using the stabilized wood.
For those that would like to learn this method of making the integral, I will be a demonstrator at Batson's this coming spring on how I do it. I will go from start to finish with a hand out. Kind of like Martha Steward when she cooks, I will have part of it already in the oven to save time. :) For those that have never attended Batson's Bladesmith Symposium, it is in my opinion, the best hammer in you could ever attend. Starts on Friday and ends on Sunday at noon. He also has a knife show for a little while on Saturday after lunch that is attended pretty heavily by the public.
Gosh, I guess I could talk a long time when I get started. Sorry about that.

Mike Barton
10-18-2009, 02:38 PM
Forged from a round bar of 52100 or 5160 with stabilized maple burl for handle material. The round hidden tang is pinned and epoxied. Flats and shoulders are left as is from forging, blades hollow ground on 10" wheel, back grind the top of the blade to reduce a bit more weight and make easier for penetration. After the knives are completed and sharpened, the handle is taped with electrical tape and the metal is sand blasted. After that, a coat of tool black is applies, oiled down good and resharpened on hard Arkansas stone.
Wood to metal contact is restricted to the small area of the ricasso to retard any moisture to the steel and no bump from shrinking and swelling. There is little of this by using the stabilized wood.
For those that would like to learn this method of making the integral, I will be a demonstrator at Batson's this coming spring on how I do it. I will go from start to finish with a hand out. Kind of like Martha Steward when she cooks, I will have part of it already in the oven to save time. :) For those that have never attended Batson's Bladesmith Symposium, it is in my opinion, the best hammer in you could ever attend. Starts on Friday and ends on Sunday at noon. He also has a knife show for a little while on Saturday after lunch that is attended pretty heavily by the public.
Gosh, I guess I could talk a long time when I get started. Sorry about that.

Hi Ray,

Really glad to see you here. hi there 1

You can take your time when you're talking like you just did. goodjob1

Hope I get to Batsons' again next year to see you demonstrate.

Mike

mike miller
10-18-2009, 02:53 PM
I mainly do old style hunters and do my own sheath work. Larry Parsons has helped a lot on the sheaths to get me going in the right direction.:D I have made knives for the last 25 years but as I tell people I FINALLY LEARNED how to make knives 4 years ago through our shop tours. You can really pick up a lot of tips to make it easier. First knife is ATS -34 stainless with stabilized cottonwood handle. Second is ATS-34 with Harner made burlap micarta. Third is ATS-34 with mammoth ivory. Last is CPM-154 with preban elephant ivory which I use as my avatar.

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Chris Martin
10-18-2009, 03:43 PM
Nice blades guys!!!!2thumbs2thumbs2thumbs

Bill Coye
10-18-2009, 03:55 PM
Very nice gentlemen.

BC

calharkins
10-18-2009, 08:31 PM
If anyone has any more pictures of the shop tour, I would like for you to post them so I could download them. I forgot to bring a camera. I hope to remember next time.
Thanks

mike miller
10-18-2009, 08:37 PM
Cal you are going to have to help me keep Ray away from the desert table. he was woofing down a piece of pecan pie before the rest of us even got in the building to start our meals. My son is going to fix me a disc of pictures that he took of us. He said he took about 60 pictures . May be awhile before we get them , he is in North Missouri until Wednesday.

calharkins
10-18-2009, 09:31 PM
No hurry on the pics Mike. It will be good to get them when he has time. It was really a fun time. You and Ray just posted some awesome knives. I have to confess. I brought that pecan pie. I will help you keep an eye on Ray next shop tour.

Jeff Pearce
10-18-2009, 09:33 PM
Sound like a great day....

mike miller
10-19-2009, 06:15 PM
1848Mr. Ben Patterson working on his first blade. Over my right shoulder is Luke Killiam who was next in line to forge.1849 And last is Ray setting up to forge with some of the Tuttle crew gathered around him.1850 Just a little of what was going on.

Chris Martin
10-19-2009, 06:36 PM
Must.....Make.....It.....To....Next.....shop tour!

Good stuff here guys.

Keep em coming.

C

Danny F
10-19-2009, 10:25 PM
I attended the shop tour and learned how to hollow grind, been doing flat grinds so I learned a new tech. Bills demo was really good, going to try it in near future, also he helped me finally build a sheath for my first personal knive. These are great events to attend, and a whole lot of good food, and new friends.

Chris Martin
10-20-2009, 07:20 AM
Right on Danny! Hope to see you at the next one..will be my first!

C


I attended the shop tour and learned how to hollow grind, been doing flat grinds so I learned a new tech. Bills demo was really good, going to try it in near future, also he helped me finally build a sheath for my first personal knive. These are great events to attend, and a whole lot of good food, and new friends.

mike miller
10-20-2009, 02:52 PM
1885Ray is always too modest about his work. This is what always fascinated me when I go by his table. He FIRST believes in being MR. SHARP then what it looks like. He has won numerous awards in the cutting competitions held around the county until his back told him enough is enough. This is Ray Kirk.

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