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Raymond Richard
10-13-2009, 11:19 PM
I started my morning by having a 7:30 dental appointment to have a tooth pulled. I got there and the first thing that happened to me was the pain shots. About 5 minutes later the dentist started the extraction by cutting the gold bridge to the tooth I wanted to keep. As soon as the bridge was cut the tooth to be pulled just fell out. No sore jaw! Plus I now have some gold to use on a knife. :D Once I got home I headed to the shop and started to do some finish work on another knife. After a few minutes of that I became real cold and lighting up the forge was sounding pretty good. I found another blade that I had been forging a few months back and thought that would be a good project for today. Here's a few pictures I took along the way.

I just got done forging the main bevel. There's a pretty good upward curve to the blade in this picture. My plan was to forge a second bevel along the spine and see how much of the curve would leave by the time I got the second bevel done.
http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1598.JPG

Here it is after forging the second bevel and the curve is gone. Normally I'll straighten blade first and do the second bevel but just wanted to try it and it totally worked.
http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1600.JPG

Here's a little better shot of the second bevel.
http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1602.JPG

Phil Dwyer
10-14-2009, 12:01 AM
Hey Ray,

Darn it if you don't have me having to log in to another forum now. The things a person has to do to follow the talent. Quick question. I've been reading through some of your other threads and understand you do a lot of your forging with a a heavy straight peen. How much of this piece was done with it?

Thanks, Phil

PS - You can run, but you can't hide! tugit I'm glad I found you again!

Raymond Richard
10-14-2009, 02:33 AM
Hey Ray,

Darn it if you don't have me having to log in to another forum now. The things a person has to do to follow the talent. Quick question. I've been reading through some of your other threads and understand you do a lot of your forging with a a heavy straight peen. How much of this piece was done with it?

Thanks, Phil

PS - You can run, but you can't hide! tugit I'm glad I found you again!

Hey Phil, I'm glad you found me! As for your question about the heavy straight peen. I use it as much as I can and it was used a great deal in forging of this blade. Before I started forging this blade yesterday morning I started forging it from a preform that was maybe halfway done. Just off the top of my head I'd say all the heavier forging was done with the 6 pound straight peen. When I start doing the finish forging my hammers get smaller and I lower the temp of the forge. The steel moves slower then and control is my objective. Getting close to 2am. If I'm not making sense let me know. Heading for bed. Good night.

stabber
10-14-2009, 05:37 AM
:eek:Damm Ray!! you only need to sharpen that one it's so neat;)

I start out with 1/4 inch stock and wined up with 1/8th by the time it/s "almost" flat:p

One
10-14-2009, 07:34 AM
Nice one Ray! :)

Phil Dwyer
10-14-2009, 02:29 PM
I hope you're still snoozing. :sleeping dog: What do you mean you were still up at 2AM?! And here I was thinking you were an old dog. Thanks for more insight into your methods. Looking forward to seeing and learning more.

Raymond Richard
10-14-2009, 03:07 PM
I hope you're still snoozing. :sleeping dog: What do you mean you were still up at 2AM?! And here I was thinking you were an old dog. Thanks for more insight into your methods. Looking forward to seeing and learning more.

Phil, I am an old dog. I ate some peanuts just before I went to bed. They just seemed to lay in one spot of my belly after I laid down and wouldn't move so I got up and eat some cereal to get them unstuck. The older I get the fewer teeth I have so it takes me longer to eat. I was just chewing for an hour. :D

Ken Hurst
10-14-2009, 06:09 PM
PHIL ---- go to a thread titled "Eli made me do it" and check out Ray's re-bar knife. If you think the job he did here is good, you should see the re-bar knife. I happen to have it here for svratching up & will gladly testify that it is something I wouldn't mind owning ! In fact, Ray, I'll be talking to you about one of these beauts. Ken

Eli Gautreaux
10-15-2009, 04:25 AM
Wow, the bevel looks amazing. I can't wait to see you do one of those in person. You don't even need that grinder in your shop!

Raymond Richard
10-15-2009, 08:09 AM
Wow, the bevel looks amazing. I can't wait to see you do one of those in person. You don't even need that grinder in your shop!

Eli, Grinding is worse than smoking. I got this big blade heat treated yesterday. I'm going to pickle it if I can find a deep enough container to put it in. Does this blade shape look like one you already have? The plan for right now is not to grind it.

Eli Gautreaux
10-15-2009, 09:00 AM
Ray, that one looks very much like mine, except on mine the secondary bevel is a clip, beginning 2-3" in front of the guard. It doesn't quite come all the way back down the spine like this one.

What do you mean by pickling the blade, kind of like a mustard finish almost?

stabber
10-15-2009, 09:01 AM
Kosher:D

Raymond Richard
10-15-2009, 10:02 AM
Kosher:D

Ricky, Ricky, Ricky! :D

Eli, Pickling means to soak it in vinegar. The vinegar will remove the decarb from the forging. This blade is going to stay forge finished. It really turned out nice.

Raymond Richard
10-15-2009, 05:53 PM
Find the pickled blade.......


http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1659.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1660.JPG

Phil Dwyer
10-15-2009, 11:58 PM
PHIL ---- go to a thread titled "Eli made me do it" and check out Ray's re-bar knife. If you think the job he did here is good, you should see the re-bar knife. I happen to have it here for svratching up & will gladly testify that it is something I wouldn't mind owning ! In fact, Ray, I'll be talking to you about one of these beauts. Ken

You're here too Ken? I can't believe you're engraving a chunk of rebar and inlaying it with gold. You guys are a trip. (That's vernacular lingo from my youth meaning, out-of-this-world!)

Ken Hurst
10-16-2009, 01:08 PM
PHIL ---- I knew exactly what you meant --- I turned 70 this month. I'm lookimg forward to working on this knife & wouldn't mind having one for myself. I am going to have to remove the back lug as it can't be salvaged. Knife will be hollowed out in an elongated oval/ongalet in middle of handle. In this space, I will fit two extra wide sambar stag scales (so that I can have as much rough surface texture as possible. There will be a gold border a 1/16" off the stag with banknote scroll covering the rest of the side of the handle area.

Raymond Richard
10-16-2009, 02:51 PM
Ken, What your referring as the back lug is the on and off switch. It isn't needed. I almost removed it myself.

Eli Gautreaux
10-16-2009, 04:22 PM
On off switch??? Ken, just make sure it is switched to ON before you remove it :D

Raymond Richard
01-04-2010, 05:15 PM
I pulled the big knife blade out of hibernation and started putting it together. Pictures coming shortly.

Raymond Richard
01-04-2010, 06:35 PM
Here's a couple pictures. The fitting are rough fit now. I used a piece of elk stag for the handle. The piece stag in the second picture looks real similar to what I started with.

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1975.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1978.JPG

stabber
01-04-2010, 06:57 PM
:eek:Wow!! That looks fantastic Ray. What is she About 17 inches

Peter Killgore
01-04-2010, 10:21 PM
Wow! That looks amazing! 2thumbsTwo thumbs up here(as usual) I remember seeing that blade when I was over last and I really liked it. The forge finish is beautiful.

Allen Newberry
01-04-2010, 10:46 PM
That's going to be quite nice when she's done.

mofretwell
01-05-2010, 11:47 AM
Ray,

I think this will be one of your finest forge finished knives ever. Purely awesome!

(Perhaps you should eat peanuts more often if they inspire work like this. <grin>)

Raymond Richard
01-05-2010, 01:13 PM
Ray,

I think this will be one of your finest forge finished knives ever. Purely awesome!

(Perhaps you should eat peanuts more often if they inspire work like this. <grin>)

Marvin, I have replaced the peanuts with magical beans. I find they give me even more inspiration. :D

Eli Gautreaux
01-05-2010, 05:16 PM
This one is looking really cool Ray! Glad to see you in "the groove" and finishing some blades!!!

Raymond Richard
01-06-2010, 07:44 PM
Here's a couple fresh pictures. Almost done!

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1980.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1981.JPG

Peter Killgore
01-06-2010, 09:13 PM
I'm really excited to actually get to see this one this weekend! Will you let me hold it Ray? Please?:beg:

Lorien
01-06-2010, 09:32 PM
Ray, did you use a grinder at all on that knife?

Raymond Richard
01-06-2010, 09:58 PM
Ray, did you use a grinder at all on that knife?

Lorien, I used a grinder a little bit to clean up the profile. Its pure forge finish on the sides.

Peter, It will cost you 5 bucks to hold it. :D I'll let you inspect in on Friday.

Phil Dwyer
01-07-2010, 12:09 AM
Hey Ray, Happy New Year! Looking good. Since this latest round of posts is regarding the handle I have a question for you about that. How do you go about piecing and fitting the wrought? Do you do the basic drill and file approach? Have you ever hot punched? Thanks, Phil

Eli Gautreaux
01-07-2010, 05:29 AM
That's a grogeous piece. I'll also pay $5 to hold it, send it to Texas after Peter has his turn :D

Raymond Richard
01-07-2010, 10:14 AM
Hey Ray, Happy New Year! Looking good. Since this latest round of posts is regarding the handle I have a question for you about that. How do you go about piecing and fitting the wrought? Do you do the basic drill and file approach? Have you ever hot punched? Thanks, Phil

Phil, I have tried hot punching with little success. I use a system that most the experts advise not to do and that's use my drill press like a milling machine except I don't use mill bits. I'll drill a series of holes and then clean the web out with carbide burrs that I purchase at a local flea market. Been doing the slots for guards this way for years. When I'm doing it it looks real similar to this photo except the burr is smaller and straight.

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1734.JPG

I use an up and down motion with the burr and at the sametime I'm adding slight pressure with the cross vise. If I need to make adjustments to the slot there's this tool called a ball peen hammer that allows me to make the slot tighter.

Eli, You know where to send your 5 bucks. :D

Lorien
01-07-2010, 11:41 AM
hope you don't mind Ray, but I posted a pic of that hammered out knife on BF

Raymond Richard
01-07-2010, 01:22 PM
hope you don't mind Ray, but I posted a pic of that hammered out knife on BF

You what? :D

Lorien
01-07-2010, 02:10 PM
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=705042&page=2

Eli Gautreaux
01-07-2010, 05:36 PM
I use an up and down motion with the burr and at the sametime I'm adding slight pressure with the cross vise. If I need to make adjustments to the slot there's this tool called a ball peen hammer that allows me to make the slot tighter.



Lol, I don't know why I was worried about removing too much metal, that makes perfect sense...

Phil Dwyer
01-07-2010, 06:20 PM
Thanks Ray. I looked into those milling/machinist's vises not too long ago at Enco or MSC (online). The array of options was dizzying as were the prices. Have any suggestions at to a good basic affordable model?

Raymond Richard
01-07-2010, 10:28 PM
Thanks Ray. I looked into those milling/machinist's vises not too long ago at Enco or MSC (online). The array of options was dizzying as were the prices. Have any suggestions at to a good basic affordable model?

Phil, I got mine at Harbor Freight. Its been awhile since I got mine but I think it was around 40 bucks. I'll check on the model I got tomorrow morning. I've got a Rigid floor mount drill press. Not the best but they both work for me.

Phil Dwyer
01-08-2010, 01:14 AM
Ray,

Would that vise be like this sucker, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=94276?
http://knifedogs.com/picture.php?albumid=72&pictureid=1053


How about these for the carbide bits, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39931?
http://knifedogs.com/picture.php?albumid=72&pictureid=1054


Or are they more like these, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3745?
http://knifedogs.com/picture.php?albumid=72&pictureid=1055

Thanks, Phil

Stew
01-08-2010, 02:42 AM
Hi Ray,

Did you treat the Elk with anything or is that it's natural colour when worked down?

Raymond Richard
01-08-2010, 11:42 AM
Hi Ray,

Did you treat the Elk with anything or is that it's natural colour when worked down?

I never ever have treated an elk. :D You must be asking about the stag. If that's the case the answer is yes.

Raymond Richard
01-08-2010, 02:28 PM
Ray,

Would that vise be like this sucker, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=94276?
http://knifedogs.com/picture.php?albumid=72&pictureid=1053


How about these for the carbide bits, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39931?
http://knifedogs.com/picture.php?albumid=72&pictureid=1054


Or are they more like these, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3745?
http://knifedogs.com/picture.php?albumid=72&pictureid=1055

Thanks, Phil

Phil,

The bottom picture has the right burrs. I didn't know HF even carried them. I've never seen the vise you have pictured. The one I use is much more simple. Here's the item number of the one I have: 532996, 5" cross slide vise.

Stew
01-08-2010, 04:45 PM
Oops. Yep, I meant stag. :D

Phil Dwyer
01-09-2010, 01:36 PM
Thanks Ray, looks like they discontinued yours. Make's sense, since you probably got it in 1903 or so, you old Grandpa, you!

Raymond Richard
01-09-2010, 03:59 PM
Thanks Ray, looks like they discontinued yours. Make's sense, since you probably got it in 1903 or so, you old Grandpa, you!

Your funny! I bought this one after the fire and that was in 2005..... Do you have a HF locally or are you just dealing with them on line?

Phil Dwyer
01-09-2010, 06:03 PM
No HF in Hawaii, so online. I'm a little nervous placing the order though as they don't quote shipping prices for Hawaii. They say they will email them after. I'm afraid to buy a $50 tool and end up paying $100 shipping. Maybe I should phone them to place the order.

Raymond Richard
01-09-2010, 07:41 PM
No HF in Hawaii, so online. I'm a little nervous placing the order though as they don't quote shipping prices for Hawaii. They say they will email them after. I'm afraid to buy a $50 tool and end up paying $100 shipping. Maybe I should phone them to place the order.

I won't buy anything from HF unless I see it first. Luckily there's one about 6 miles away. Maybe you can deal straight with China. Any other options close to home?

I just did a search at HF and found the vise that I have. I'm thinking I may have added an extra number or saw an S thinking it was a 5. This is the one that I have: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=32996 Did you happen to read that the vise you are looking at says for wood or plastic?

Raymond Richard
01-11-2010, 12:29 PM
Here's some finished pictures of "Little Brutus"

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1989.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1990.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1991.JPG

http://www.hawknknives.com/forums/IMG_1992.JPG

Lorien
01-11-2010, 01:07 PM
that beauty is going into my 'Best Bowies 2011' folder2thumbs
dang that's sweet!

But tell me, is it fully stock removed and then beat on with a hammer to look like it's forged?:p
(inside joke, there)

Raymond Richard
01-11-2010, 02:00 PM
that beauty is going into my 'Best Bowies 2011' folder2thumbs
dang that's sweet!

But tell me, is it fully stock removed and then beat on with a hammer to look like it's forged?:p
(inside joke, there)

I'm really liking the new grinding belts with the pee gravel grit. No need for a hammer. :D

Phil Dwyer
01-11-2010, 08:25 PM
that beauty is going into my 'Best Bowies 2011' folder....

What does it have to age for a year?! ;)

Raymond Richard
01-11-2010, 09:05 PM
What does it have to age for a year?! ;)

Lorien is Canadian, always thinking about the future........

Lorien
01-12-2010, 07:28 AM
2011 Bowies get voted on in January 2011, so there's a year's worth of image collecting to do!

Hey, I can't really afford to collect real knives, so I scratch the itch collecting virtual ones;)

Raymond Richard
01-12-2010, 11:11 AM
2011 Bowies get voted on in January 2011, so there's a year's worth of image collecting to do!

Hey, I can't really afford to collect real knives, so I scratch the itch collecting virtual ones;)

Lorien, I'm privileged to have you collecting virtual knives of mine and enjoy our friendship!

Lorien
01-12-2010, 01:51 PM
thank you Ray! I feel the same way.
There is a REAL RR knife in my future though:)

howiesatwork
01-14-2010, 05:42 PM
Really nice work as usual, Ray!

Raymond Richard
01-14-2010, 05:45 PM
Really nice work as usual, Ray!

Hey Howie, Nice to see your out slumming. :D Thanks for dropping by!

Lorien
01-14-2010, 05:52 PM
keep that forge going! It's cold out there!

Lorien
01-19-2010, 09:58 PM
scratch that! What's with this balmy weather? Feels like spring!

Raymond Richard
01-19-2010, 11:32 PM
scratch that! What's with this balmy weather? Feels like spring!

Lorien, I think it is warmer at 10:30pm than it has been here all day. Haven't heard the heater come on once since the sun went down. Hopefully the next storm to roll doesn't have the winds of the previous ones.

Raymond Richard
01-19-2010, 11:49 PM
Lorien, I think it is warmer at 10:30pm than it has been here all day. Haven't heard the heater come on once since the sun went down. Hopefully the next storm to roll doesn't have the winds of the previous ones.

I went and checked to see if the heater was turned on and it wasn't. Mystery solved. :D

Eli Gautreaux
01-20-2010, 06:47 PM
We turned the A/C on today... Where'd the winter go???