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Les George
08-26-2009, 05:58 PM
I have been in contact with Carpenter Technology and working with them a little to get some of there new Knife steels out into the wild.

The one that I am most excited about is CTS-XHP. I hate to compare it like this, but it has been described to me as a Stainless version of CPM D2! 2thumbs

I have some blades made up and will be getting them off to heat treat shortly. I will keep you up to date with the testing right here! :cool:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/IMG_2408.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/IMG_2415.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/IMG_2412.jpg

I have a few knives to go to heat treat actually....

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/IMG_2417.jpg

John Barker
08-26-2009, 06:07 PM
Sounds cool!
-John

Gary B
08-26-2009, 06:31 PM
WOW! High tech D2. How cool is that? Keep us posted on performance.

Congrats on the forun Boss.

rvin1911
08-26-2009, 08:43 PM
they done yet:p

Les George
08-26-2009, 08:48 PM
NO!

rvin1911
08-26-2009, 08:51 PM
OK:(

Bill Coye
08-27-2009, 05:13 AM
I'm tuned in.

Thanks,

BC

stabber
08-27-2009, 07:07 AM
Very interested to see how you like this steel Les2thumbs

Rick Haney Design
08-27-2009, 11:42 AM
Les,I'll be interested in how this Carpenter steel performs.Ive been using 20Cv on my folders,Good stuff!:D

Les George
08-27-2009, 01:26 PM
I refuse to use any steel from Latrobe....

Rick Haney Design
08-27-2009, 01:52 PM
Les,I know what you talking about Latrobe's customer service has a lot to be desired.:mad:

I was interested in the performance aspects of 20CV,I found Latrobe didn't seemed to want the knifemaking business.:confused:

David@GLWJ told me about Carpenter 204P is the same composition as Latrobe 20CV,I'm real interested in the different CTS steels offered by them.

Need to get some to work with,:DAny of the ones David got in will work.:)

It's seems good timing for Carpenter to persue the cutlery industry considering Crucible's current state of affairs.

Les George
08-27-2009, 01:57 PM
I got some of the 204P as well, I just havent cut into it yet....

Mike Kammer
08-27-2009, 10:11 PM
I've heard nothing but good things about their steels, looking forward to hearing what you think of them Les.
Mike

RAGUEL3
08-27-2009, 10:15 PM
You folks who use a lot, please tell the rest of us the pros n cons of the new Carpenter stuff you try out,.. what works easy, what doesnt,how it reacts and how it heat treats ,etc.

Les George
08-28-2009, 06:59 PM
I'm gonna be doing a pass around with this knife once it gets back from heat treat.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/post%20pics/IMG_2478.jpg

We'll organize that later though...

Les George
09-10-2009, 02:06 PM
Just got off the phone with Brad and these blades should be on their way back to me tomorrow! :)

Darklight
09-14-2009, 02:53 AM
Sounds good, I'm looking forerward to see (or use) one of your high end steel knife.

Allen Elishewitz
09-14-2009, 08:56 PM
Can't wait to hear more about this steel!

Les George
09-14-2009, 09:39 PM
I'm gonna RC test and surface grind them tomorrow.... :)

Les George
09-16-2009, 09:12 PM
UPDATE! :)

Blades are back from Heat treat and I got them surface ground today. I had to take quite a bit off since the piece I had was the end of a run.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/004-4.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/005-4.jpg

Lots of knives in the works right now, but I want to start getting these XHPs out there soon!

Stand by for a pass around! :)2thumbs

Jeff Pearce
09-16-2009, 09:37 PM
Looks like you have grinding to do get busy....2thumbs

TKC
09-18-2009, 07:41 PM
Ooooh, how exciting!!! That sounds cool.

Frstr8
09-18-2009, 09:04 PM
I would very much like to see this when it is complete.


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e171/frstr8/Knives/lg1.jpg

Les George
09-18-2009, 09:07 PM
I did one kinda like that for Blade this year

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/Blade%20show%202009/IMG_0113.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/Blade%20show%202009/IMG_0116.jpg

This one will get scales, of some kind, some day, I think.....

Frstr8
09-18-2009, 09:21 PM
Please post pictures of it completed. 2thumbs

Les George
09-18-2009, 09:59 PM
No problemo! :)

Frstr8
09-18-2009, 10:09 PM
Thank you sir you are a gentleman and a scholar! :)

JAWilliams
09-18-2009, 11:50 PM
I did one kinda like that for Blade this year

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/Blade%20show%202009/IMG_0113.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/Blade%20show%202009/IMG_0116.jpg

This one will get scales, of some kind, some day, I think.....

Les that is so beautiful. You and I must talk one day.

Les George
09-26-2009, 11:14 AM
WOW......

Les George
10-01-2009, 07:14 PM
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/post%20pics/001-1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/post%20pics/002-1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/post%20pics/003-2.jpg

I am realy working the heck outta this knife to get a feel for this steel. You can see how it looks straight off the 5x micron belt above....

Then a little hand rubbin'

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/post%20pics/006.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/post%20pics/007.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/post%20pics/008.jpg

Now it's all glued up, ready for me to grind the handle and make a sheath....

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/gtasteel/post%20pics/049.jpg

more to follow~!

Frstr8
10-01-2009, 07:49 PM
That looks awesome. I can't wait to see the finished knife. Just Awesome!

rvin1911
10-01-2009, 08:08 PM
Looking Good Les2thumbs

BossDog
10-01-2009, 08:19 PM
I really like the shine on that. maybe there is life after Crucible?

Les George
10-01-2009, 08:20 PM
I'm holding off judgment until we see how she cuts! ;)

John Barker
10-02-2009, 09:28 AM
That's looks pretty good Les.
-John

Les George
10-04-2009, 10:35 AM
almost there! 2thumbs

http://knifedogs.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1260&d=1254670541

rvin1911
10-04-2009, 01:54 PM
I'll take it just the way it is Les:haha:

Darklight
10-04-2009, 03:04 PM
WOW looking great !

Frstr8
10-04-2009, 04:39 PM
2thumbs

Still tuned in!

Les George
11-17-2009, 06:03 PM
Found a little more info with my Google-fu...




Carpenter Launches New Alloys Being Used in Knife Blade Applications

Tue. October 06, 2009; Posted: 10:28 AM


Carpenter CTS-BD1 is a premium melted stainless steel (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2565335/#) containing certain metal additions that offer characteristics such as enhanced knife blade edge retention at a competitive cost.
The Carpenter (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2565335/#) CTS family of alloys offers superior edge retention and surface finish as well as an ability to be machined to a fine edge and consistent heat-treatability from lot to lot. These attributes make the Carpenter CTS alloys strong candidates for a wide array of blade applications, including commercial food processing, paper processing, textile, packaging, recycling/refuse, kitchen knives, hand tools (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2565335/#), scissors/shears, shaving razors, sport/hunting knives, ice skates, military/defense, law enforcement, salon blades and various surgical/medical applications.
The other alloys in the Carpenter CTS suite are CTS-40CP (Micro-Melt(R) 440C), CTS-XHP (Micro-Melt 440-XH(R) alloy), CTS-10 (410 stainless), CTS-20 (420 stainless), CTS 40A (Type 440A), CTS-40C (Type 440C), CTS-TMT (Trinamet(R) stainless), CTS-20CP (Micro-Melt 420-CW), CTS-B52 (VIM-VAR 52100), CTS-B90 (X-90), CTS-B75 (S42700), CTS-B70 (CRB-7(R) alloy) and CTS-204P (Micro-Melt 20-4).
All of the Carpenter CTS alloys are produced with stringent quality control from melting through shipment. Carpenter offers technical support for customers with questions about the Carpenter CTS alloys and a new Selectaloy tool is available to aid customers with alloy selection. The Carpenter CTS alloys are available for sale directly from Carpenter.
For more information about the Carpenter CTS(TM) family of alloys, including the Selectaloy diagram and other Carpenter alloys, visit Carpenter's website at www.cartech.com (http://www.cartech.com) , e-mail service@cartech.com or telephone (610) 208-2000 or (800) 654-6543.
Hi-res images available upon request at caulenbach@cartech.com
Carpenter Technology Corporation, based in Wyomissing, PA, USA, is a leading manufacturer and distributor of specialty metals including stainless steel and titanium and various engineered products.
SOURCE: Carpenter Technology Corp.
Carpenter Technology Corp.
Myra Pinkham, 845-544-1718
cartechpr@aol.com
or
Carol Aulenbach, 610-208-2355
caulenbach@cartech.com
For full details on Carpenter Technol Corp (CRS) click here (http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools/clientForward?targetURL=http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/quotescharts/showDetailedQuote/?qm_symbol=CRS&action=showDetailedQuote). Carpenter Technol Corp (CRS) has Short Term PowerRatings of 6. Details on Carpenter Technol Corp (CRS) Short Term PowerRatings is available at This Link (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/powerratings/?sym=CRS).

Les George
11-19-2009, 08:24 PM
Got a little more XHP today... 2thumbs

I guess they give the certs for all the steel they send out. Kinda cool, the stuff they sent me has just a little more carbon in it than the data sheet calls for....cool 1

Les George
12-08-2009, 10:36 AM
http://www.cartech.com/uploadedImages/WhatsNew/BladeSelectaloy.gif

Ernie Swanson
12-09-2009, 08:26 PM
Wow that sound like a good steel.
when do I get my chunk 2thumbs?? lol

Les George
01-23-2010, 10:44 AM
*UPDATE*

Been talking to the Metallurgist over at Carpenter some more. They are VERY impressed with all your work on the pass around, as am I.

They are still working to refine their production procedures for this material and have some plans for more new knife steels. They are going not to make "me too" steels and improve on what is already out there.

So far Carpenter seems a very good company to work with, although they seem a little slow from the outside looking in. To me anyway, someone that admittedly has no idea what they have to do! :) So I guess that's what my opinion is worth on that? :D

Gary B
01-23-2010, 10:52 AM
Hey Les, That all sounds good to me. Maybe we can get them to make some W2 with no more than .20 Mn in the mix. Available flat stock would be greatly appreciated.:D

Les George
01-23-2010, 11:14 AM
non stainless goes to the back of the line! :p

Frstr8
01-23-2010, 11:20 AM
*UPDATE*

Been talking to the Metallurgist over at Carpenter some more. They are VERY impressed with all your work on the pass around, as am I.

They are still working to refine their production procedures for this material and have some plans for more new knife steels. They are going not to make "me too" steels and improve on what is already out there.

So far Carpenter seems a very good company to work with, although they seem a little slow from the outside looking in. To me anyway, someone that admittedly has no idea what they have to do! :) So I guess that's what my opinion is worth on that? :D

The fact that they are listening to feed back and using that information to better their product says a lot about the company and the direction they want to be moving. Very impressive. 2thumbs

ragingwolf66
01-28-2010, 09:26 PM
Oh my!!!!!