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Les George
04-08-2011, 04:25 PM
I have a new project in the works. It's a new way for me to work, something that I have been planning long before I even moved to Texas. It's the reason that I am taking machinist classes day and night on top of full time knife making.

If you may recall the Rockeye is named after an ordnance item of the same name.

There is a variation of the Rockeye, called the VECP. VECP means Value Engineering Change Proposal, basically that is a program that finds better ways to get the same job done. Since they Rockeye's job is to blow up and send a shape charge jet into a target, they found a way to do it with a stream lined design and manufacturing process.

One of the goals of the Rockeye design, was to have a design that I could scale up and down at will. since I have made them with blade lengths from 2.6 all the way up past 7 inches, I think that box is checked. :)

One of the hardest parts of custom folder making is managing the variations of materials. Steel not stright, titanium bowed and not the same thickness though out, ect. All these things play havoc with knife function and I spend a lot of my time on the custom knives fixing those inconsistency. A lot of time!

So I had an idea of a project, where I took out as many of the variables as possible, Keeping the design simple and speeding things up, adding Value by changing the engineering.

That's about enough talk for now, here are the specs and pics! :)

I give you, the VECP

Steel: .150" thick, CTS-XHP
Handle: Titanium Frame lock, .150 thick
Back spacer: Black G-10
Ambidextrous thumb stud
Phosphorus Bronze washers
Drilled and tapped for tip up / tip down
Lanyard hole
Blade, 3.4" long, CNC flat ground*
Hinderer Lock Bar stabilizer**

Some of the details are yet to be finalized but here are some pics of the ruff proto that I made this week.





*I will be making a new logo that will go on all non hand ground blades so there is never any confusion.

** Big thank you to Rick Hinderer for licensing his lock bar stabilizer to me.

More to follow later as well as a HUGE WIP! Thank you for reading and your continued support!

04-08-2011, 05:26 PM
I am tuned in!

Steven Janik
04-08-2011, 06:49 PM
Looks sweet.
I'd say that VECP stands for Very Excellent Cutting Piece in this case.


04-08-2011, 07:28 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I think I might want one of these! :D :D :D I'll stay tuned in as well and continue to drool over the WIP pics.

Les George
04-08-2011, 07:59 PM
I'm pretty stoked about the project and I think one may just end up in my pocket too! :)

04-09-2011, 12:17 AM
That design gets me very excited!

Gary B
04-09-2011, 04:57 AM
Very cool idea. You are moving like a rocket man. Keep it up.:thumbup1:

04-09-2011, 06:38 AM
Looks awesome to me Les any idea on price yet?

Les George
04-09-2011, 07:07 AM
I am looking at the $325-$350 range. I was originally shooting for $325, but then I scaled the knife up 10% and it was just enough to have to buy another sheet of steel. I was actually very surprised at the over all effect that the small size change had on the use of the materials. As a result the price may have to get bumped up just a little, I will know better once the waterjet cutter tells me what kinda numbers I am gonna get from my material.

04-09-2011, 01:17 PM
That is a very reasonable price in my opinion.

John Barker
04-11-2011, 06:56 AM
Awesome! That is a great news! Looks really good from here.

04-11-2011, 07:49 AM
Even going up a bit in price, that's gonna be one heck of a value! Looks great!

Les George
04-15-2011, 10:10 PM
The steel arrived today! :)

04-15-2011, 10:52 PM
The steel arrived today! :)

Very kewl! Looking forward to the extreme WIP and the pass around :biggrin:

04-16-2011, 01:08 AM
Exceptional job so far .
Building a better mousetrap isnt always the answer, finding a way to make the mousetrap with less loss of time, materials and effort is more impressive.
" Work Smarter , Not Harder ", great job.

Les George
04-17-2011, 07:53 PM
Thanks guys, the CTS-XHP blade steel showed up Friday, I got it from the UPS guy and took them straight over to a local waterjet guy. He said he should have them all cut out by Wednesday!

Then it will be machining time, hot and heavy! :)

Les George
04-17-2011, 07:55 PM
Exceptional job so far .
Building a better mousetrap isnt always the answer, finding a way to make the mousetrap with less loss of time, materials and effort is more impressive.
" Work Smarter , Not Harder ", great job.

Your giving me too much credit, I think that this is the best mouse population control devise ever made! :)


04-17-2011, 09:50 PM
Les, for some reason I assumed this was more your style of mouse trap.



04-17-2011, 10:11 PM
LOL,. at both you and Murph.

Les George
04-18-2011, 06:39 AM
What am I an amateur? A mechanical timer?

Lame!!! Don't try to bring me down, hippy!



04-18-2011, 07:03 AM
Sorry Les. I didn't mean to insult you. I was just being lazy. It was the first pic I found on the net.

Les George
04-18-2011, 08:26 AM

Steven Janik
04-18-2011, 01:25 PM
Thanks for posting a diagram of my new pacemaker.

Les George
04-18-2011, 01:36 PM
I got a pic of you out behind your house too....

Steven Janik
04-18-2011, 02:22 PM
Ya, you got me.
I rent parking spaces for the weekly mud bog races and that was me directing traffic.

04-18-2011, 05:27 PM
pictures no work I am interested as the specs make my day

Rudy Joly
04-19-2011, 01:13 PM
I got a pic of you out behind your house too....

Ultra tech lawn jockey lost his lantern.

No pics showing here too.


Les George
04-19-2011, 01:28 PM
Photobucket crashed and burned with my pics, I will fix it up later...

Here's a couple till then....


Gary B
04-19-2011, 01:42 PM
Now that looks like a real winner. Great job Bud.:35::35:

04-19-2011, 06:09 PM
I like I like it very nice off to count pennies and sell pencils

04-19-2011, 06:46 PM
Hey Les, when will mine be ready?

(Kinda curious about a dagger that someone is supposed to be building too.)

Les George
04-19-2011, 06:59 PM
Hey Les, when will mine be ready?

(Kinda curious about a dagger that someone is supposed to be building too.)

Yours will be ready later. :)

Dagger is next weeks WIP thread

04-19-2011, 07:01 PM
Just make sure my name is near the top of the list on this one. I want one!

Les George
04-19-2011, 07:08 PM
Just make sure my name is near the top of the list on this one. I want one!

You're lucky that there where no youtube clips of "You have to ask me nicely" from Col, Nathan R Jessop all by it's self! :):)

04-19-2011, 07:47 PM

EDIT: I should have typed, "LOL!!! PLEASE?"

04-22-2011, 04:22 PM
Awesome Les ! This will be for sure one of the best knife for the money.
You definatelly could count me in for one of these.

Les George
04-22-2011, 04:50 PM
The steel arrived!


Then the waterjet guy here in town made short work of it!




while he was doing that I built the fixture to machine the blades

I made a dry run with no blades just to see how it was gonna lay out.


Now I am machining the blades down to size


But before I can bolt the blades down to the fixture I have to drill and counter sink the holes


You can tell by my hands that this is knifemaking at it's easiest, the machine pretty much does all the work for you.... ;)

So on top here, you can see how they look after waterjet, then how they come off the CNC machine, then I snap the front bolt down tab off and grind the burr off.


Now I ream the pivot hole and chamfer the pivot and thumb stud holes.


04-22-2011, 05:12 PM
I think I see mine in that mix. I think it's the third one from the left in the third row in the third pic. Yeah, that's the one I want. :D

Looking good Les. Look forward to seeing you get all of those blades on the market. I think this will be a big hit for you.

04-28-2011, 10:19 AM

Les George
05-27-2011, 12:14 PM
Proto hot off the grinder got Blade show!







05-27-2011, 02:16 PM

05-28-2011, 11:12 AM
I'm in !
Great knife Les.

06-13-2011, 10:35 AM
Les after seeing this in person, I'm deffinately in! Just let me know when you have one that I can pay for. Great design and excellent execution. I can't wait to put one in my pocket.

06-13-2011, 11:25 PM
Les Please add my name to the list of those wanting to send you money for one of these VECP. :)

Les George
06-15-2011, 07:32 AM
You two are setting the example for everyone to follow! :)

Thank you!!!

06-17-2011, 03:58 PM
does lusting count ?

Les George
06-18-2011, 05:14 PM
it's the first step down the path ;)

06-18-2011, 06:23 PM
Are they done yet?

Les George
06-18-2011, 06:27 PM
how much further?

06-18-2011, 10:05 PM
Just mine, I'll let everyone else worry about thier own. :D

Steven Janik
06-19-2011, 12:10 PM
Does the president of your fan club get a spot near the top of the list?

Les George
06-19-2011, 02:42 PM
Blades are on the way back to Texas, as am I! :)

Does the president of your fan club get a spot near the top of the list?

If you want one, you will be taken care of! ;)

Les George
06-20-2011, 03:35 PM
Blades are in hand and they look GREAT! :)

06-20-2011, 03:43 PM
Hey Les, my birthday is in three weeks. :D

Les George
06-20-2011, 03:55 PM
mine is later this week, what are you getting me?

06-20-2011, 03:59 PM
Hmmmmm, let me think about it. It would have to be pretty awesome to warrant getting one of these in return.

06-20-2011, 04:01 PM
I know, how about a PayPal gift with $??? and a note that said, "Happy Birthday Les!!!"?

Les George
06-25-2011, 08:22 AM
Did I mention the blades look great! :)


06-25-2011, 07:37 PM
I agree, those do look great Les.

07-09-2011, 06:48 PM
Les, I thought you were going to send me one of these for my birthday?

Les George
07-09-2011, 06:53 PM
I got you the same thing you got me

07-09-2011, 07:10 PM
You never told me what you wanted.

07-09-2011, 07:14 PM
All joking aside, will there be any available options on these ie. back spacer material? Are they all going to be red?

Les George
07-09-2011, 07:45 PM
They are gonna be black G-10

07-09-2011, 08:28 PM

07-25-2011, 09:39 AM
Looks like another winner. Keep up the good work and I like the price range on this one.

Bruce Bump
07-27-2011, 05:40 PM
Interesting thread to follow. How they coming along?

Les George
07-28-2011, 08:35 AM
Very nicely. I am just waiting on my stencil to show up and I will be ready to start finishing some up.

I am putting a different logo on these so as not to confuse them with my hand ground knives.

I will detail out the ins and outs of this project more later, but basically I am doing all the work on these but for the waterjet and the blade grinding. :) And as usual it's become a LOT more work than I thought it would be! :) Good times!

Bruce Bump
08-02-2011, 11:07 PM
Nothing comes easy it seems. I've sourced parts out for the waterjet and heat treating but not the bevels too. I'm interested to see how this all pans out. You may be onto something big, lots of folks hanging around your cash register too.

Les George
08-03-2011, 07:19 AM
It's not my idea by any means. Hardest part about having things done for you is communicating exactly what you want them to do. Since I can do my own CAD work that helps a lot. Half of my machinist education as school has been communicating ideas and intent to other machinists. ;) Hardest thing we do as human beings is communicate!

I think it's gonna work out well though, at least I REALLY hope so.

I should have pics of the first couple to be all the way done, later today! :) Thanks to all for the support!

08-03-2011, 08:32 AM
Les, I'll be more than happy to post pics for you. :)

08-03-2011, 08:45 AM
I've seen a final pic already... ;) Just sayin'...

This knife is SWEEEET!